Scott Klarr Jr
Collection of atheist and atheism motivational posters
Posted On Oct 25, 2008 at 2:50 am
Here is a collection of 41 atheism motivational posters. If you know of any more that are not on the list, post them in the comments!











































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Chris Bourton Nov 13, 2008
oh that gave me a good laugh, just viewed them all, and me and my gf found them all very entertaining.
Alex Apr 08, 2009
I'm Christian and I have to admit a lot of those are funny. And before you blast me for just believing something you don't, try this:
Creates lots of crazies and wars, but have you forgotten the millions of religious followers that actively help the poor and injured? Good things are caused by religion, too.
And any Christian that has a brain hates crazy fundamentalists too. They pervert and destroy the meaning of faith for human interests which is one of the reasons you atheists hate us.
I have a coexistence theory for religion and science if you'd like to hear it.
And you are all defining your life by religion too. Think about it. Without religion to criticize you'd have nothing. Your doctrine exists only because of religions.
Will Apr 08, 2009
"Without religion to criticize you'd have nothing. Your doctrine exists only because of religions."
Error. I don't have AIDS, and my life is not defined by it. I don't have faith and my life is not defined by it. I criticize racism -- does that mean I owe racists a debt of gratitude for "allowing" me not to be prejudiced?
When I was still trying to find truth in religion and mysticism my life was much more defined by these things. When I accepted a more elegant model of the world I became defined by own reasoning and observations, rather than the parroted justifications of other people's faith.
Anyway, people who do good works deserve credit for what they've done. God or the Pope can take credit for good works when I see either one of them stocking soup kitchen shelves.
Alex Apr 08, 2009
Good point. But Catholicism in general is so far from Christianity to begin with. Hence the Schism. Anyone between Jesus' message and an individual is a problem, including the pope. But I have yet to meet an atheist that just relaxes in their world view. Every single one I have met, and for the most part the ones online actively and pompously aggrandize themselves.
They look down on everyone they don't view as "smart" enough to be an atheist. You revel in your opposition to the belief systems. That means you define yourself by it. (see goths fighting conformity as an example)
Chris Apr 08, 2009
It's an interesting time in atheism. Sure, a lot of Christians are chill, but ALOT aren't.
The study of biology and science in general is under broad assault in our country. Physics is the study of energy. Chemistry is the study of elements, and reactions. And Biology is the study of evolution.
Yet across the country, we're seeing Christian politicians and their Christian constituents time and time again strike Biology/Evolution out of schools. It's happening nationwide.
In polls, Americans respond that they'd be twice as willing to elect a gay president as an atheist one.
You say we're all tightly strung, but you have to understand, we're under attack. Science is under attack. And make no mistake, science is the reason America is (was) a super power. Why our economy was unparalleled. Why our military had no rival.
And in the name of faith, our country seeks to destroy science.
I won't go so far to say that it's the verge of the dark ages in America, but quite frankly, that's EXACTLY what a lot of Christians want. A no-science education.
It's not my fault if science opens minds and contradicts a 2,000 year old book.
Marcus Apr 08, 2009
You do realize that Christians searching to understand God and how He created all of this (created it for himself, not for us) are the driving force behind most of the scientific advances since the dark ages? Many Christians still feel this way. Evolution explains how animals have become so diverse, but not how humans separated from the rest of the animals. The big bang explains how the universe was formed and how it is continuing to spread, but not where the cloud of cosmic dust came from. Yes we should continue the search for answers in every ethical way. We may eventually find definitively that man evolved from the other animals, but there are many of us who would not find that a contradiction of the truths of the Bible.
Alex Apr 08, 2009
Science and religion aren't mutually exclusive. View the motivations of most of the revolutionary scientists. Newton was Christian, Einstein believed in an afterlife. It is morally reprehensible to strike science from schools, I agree completely. But substituting science for religion isn't right. They're answers to different questions.
Science answers how things work.
Religion trys to answer why things work.
billwalker Oct 11, 2009
Einstein didn't believe in an afterlife. He said, & I( quote : One life is enough for me. I cannot conceive of a god who rewards & punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death: let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. Albert Einstein
Aaron Smyth Dec 07, 2009
Einstein had NOT belief in an afterlife. Get your facts straight. Newton was an open Epicurean, the first true atheists.
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lincoln Nov 29, 2011
Wow genius, thanks for pointing out how little we know and being wrong at the same time. I'm mildly impressed
Matt Apr 08, 2009
False actually, the majority of scientists are/have been athiests.
Cameron Apr 08, 2009
Incorrect. Copernicus, Bacon, Kepler, Einstein, Galileo, DesCartes, Newton, Boyle, Mendel, Kelvin, and Planck, just to name a few, were all religious.
creepermclurker Apr 09, 2009
B.S.
Citation?
Caty Feb 21, 2011
Actually Einstein was Jewish, but he veered into his own little belief system. Newton was one of the first to fight against the Church to be in government and in education. Copernicus was Christian but ended up getting killed by the church so that his theories didn't take away any of their power...
Alan Apr 09, 2009
Einstein was not religious and believed "God" to be how matter and energy revealed themselves. He also did not believe in free will.
joshua Oct 09, 2009
einstein was jewish...
A+ for you
Scott Klarr Oct 09, 2009
He was of Jewish heritage, but he was not of the Jewish faith.
Julie Dec 01, 2010
yeah..einstein was either agnostic or atheist...it wasn't really clear what he was but all i know is that he despised religion. Direct quote from a poster i have: "Religion is the incarnation of the most childish superstitions".
nice try tho joshua
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It is interesting your pick of scientists is confined historical reference at a time when EVERYONE was a believer or else they risked being burned at the stake for Heresy. Those early thinkers are famous for their observations of how the real world didn't support current church doctrine. I object to your revisionist history. Darwin was a "believer" as well, why didn't you give him credit? Maybe because he was so sure that his findings would be considered Hersey that devoted his life to providing exhaustive evidence to make his point. Please don't call me a Darwinist or Evolutionist. That implies that I follow some kind of Atheist doctrine which is soo contrary to the point of being a person who arrives upon life choices by thinking about them instead of following.
Levering Lewis Oct 18, 2009
Look that up because it is BS. Galileo definitely was not religious and neither was Copernicus. Both were convicted by religious people for doubting that the sun did not revolve around the earth.
Bub Mar 21, 2010
About Galileo and Copernicus-- Galileo I know for a fact was a strong Catholic. That he was opposed by church hierarchy does not mean that he himself did not believe in God.
Thomas May 02, 2010
Thomas Edison believed that there was a supernatural force in the universe. He is even quoted as saying that "Humans know one one-thousandth of a percent about nothing."
chilli Sep 10, 2011
Seriously? that quote has no religious tones at all! It's a quote on the totality of human knowledge based on the expanse of the universe. Just because we don't know everything by no means shows that there is a god, or that the guy stating it thinks there is!
Rogue Aug 28, 2010
You know nothing "Bub" they were not religious and again I suggest you do some reading Atheist Universe by David Mills should clear up your silly little "facts".....
anonymous(jeff) Nov 08, 2010
Well a little reading of the bible should clear your head too.
Rose Feb 21, 2011
Read and believe the work of poor shepherds who were living in the desert writing about how they believed every animal in existence lived within walking distance of Noah's house. Over modern science. That is SOOOOO gonna happen.
Lee Nichols Dec 03, 2010
I simply refuse to accept that you are serious. Gallileo, Catholic?
You have to be joking, because the only other option is that you are an ignorant slave to a pretend friend in the sky. Why can't God strike you all? 100% of those who believe a religion prove to be retarded. Bet you eat white flour and sugar and tell folks that you "feel fine," although such consumers are unconditionally guaranteed to suffer the consequences. But not you, right? You know better
Caty Feb 21, 2011
To quote Galileo after the church made him sign a contract renouncing his theories of the earth's orbit around the sun.
"Nevertheless it [Earth] moves."
Kara Apr 14, 2011
So? I believe in God and am not a Catholic or a Christian. Remember, just because someone believes in "God" doesn't mean you know what God they are referencing.
Rogue Aug 28, 2010
Wow really? You sure about that? If I may suggest to you..... read Atheist Universe by David Mills....plenty of historically accurate quotes from several people including dear old Einstein that they were firmly against entertaining ideas of religion.........
chilli Sep 10, 2011
Ok i did a school project on Einstein and studied his life several times let me end this silly argument. EINSTEIN WAS JEWISH! He searched for proof of god in his equations but he never could find any and so died pretty upset with himself. However he did outwardly say he didn't believe in the afterlife! Galileo and Copernicus i studied too. They both were "christen" in name only and actually rebelled against the church often! Hell both were tried for hearricy! Copernicus was too afraid to publish his findings so he had asked his wife to publish them after he died so the CHURCH couldn't have him executed! Newton was, in fact, THE FIRST ATHEIST! He had to hide it for most of his life because again, the Church could have him EXECUTED! But towards the end of his life he admitted it. Now to end all battle science is indeed the ENEMY of religion and always has been always will be! BECAUSE science can allow us to, in a religious sense of things, play god. Religion has a history of trying to kill brilliant minds of the past because reason and free thought are the exact opposite of BLIND FAITH! And if people think for themselves the people are harder to control and religion likes control! also people can easily reason out that religion in it's hole is nothing but a bunch of wild myths that's why it's number one concepts are blind faith and not to think! to quote many a religious texts and scholars, "We are but the lords sheep." Sheep blindly fallow their master even if it's to their death. But lets treat religion like a product for your soul. Would you buy something when someone says "QUICK, don't think about it! you only have 20 seconds to decide. By now for the easy price of (oh say) 1000$ (your soul)!" No you wouldn't. i'm sure your parents should have taught you never buy something when someone is trying to rush your purchase cause chances are you'll be scammed. well guess what, that's how religion works. I am neither religious or atheist, i'm agnostic. And i despise religion on a hole. all of it! But i only question the existence of god. I don't flat out deny it because i don't know of it! I can neither prove nor disprove his existence there for the question is not scientific. BUT ALL RELIGION CAN BE BOTH PROVEN AND DISPROVEN AND SCIENCE HAS DISPROVEN NEARLY ALL OF IT!
apatientdr Apr 09, 2009
I hate to argue/discuss these topics online because of the impersonality of it but, I thought I would just share this.
I have been doing some research lately on postmodernism and the history of western thought. In the process I learned that around the dawn of modern western thought (somewhere between 1400 & 1600ce) the university was born. The original intention of the university was answering the philosophical question of the christian worldview. Hence the title university; coming from the latin words uni and veritas, which literally mean one truth. My point is that higher education and science [more or less] to aid and explore the christian worldview. Unfortunately man gave up on God.
dave thayer Aug 30, 2009
I don't reject the idea of god, but the gods expressed by the existing religions are silly, if not horrible to me. The threat of punishment by most religions for not believing is proof that they are false. On the same token, I don't feel pressured into having to believe in a god, as most religious people are (when I was "religious" it was out of fear). I believe that the christian religion is a religion of hatred because it promises hell before it promises salvation (those who do not accept jesus are damned).
I also don't see the limitations of the natural selection theory to be a proof for god. Indeed, evolution seems is a creative process, as seen in the complex camouflage of butterflies, the colors of birds, adn the intellect of humans: natural selection cannot explain this - this does not mean that god created it; it just shows the limitations of science.
And just because there might be 'soul' this also does not prove the existence of 'god'. God is a very limited theory which may or may not be true, and we have no right to use the word as a political tool. I believe that those who utter the word 'god' are either being manipulated because they are of limited mental or spiritual capacity, or they are the ones benefiting politically or economically from religion. Religion is simply 'crowd control'. I think if we had a healthy society we would need no religion, and the ending of religion is the beginning of a healthy society, where people are educated beyond simple and clearly wrong explanations for how life was created.
Bub Mar 21, 2010
Well what kind of god would force someone who doesn't believe in him to spend eternity with him? Hell is just where God is not. And, philosophically and theologically speaking, if God is good and good things come from God, then where God is not there are not good things either. It's not just that God punishes a person for rejecting him; He gives them what they've chosen for themselves: an afterlife without him.
Vegard Sep 27, 2011
How do you know God is good? Couldn't he just be a very powerfull evil beeing saying he is good to get followers? (he do kills alot of people acording to the Bible.)
Why would God punish a person for only reacting to the way they were born and raised? If you were born in the westeren world, and started to attend a university (or college, whatever you call higher education), because you want to help humanity further on battling problems we are facing (hunger, natural disasters, human crimes etc.) Because of your education you starting to doubt God. You don't want to, but can't help to see the flaws in the Bible. After a while you actually become an atheist.
Why should a loving and good God punish this person for this? Aren't it he who have created him with the intelligence to reason to come to the conclusion that there is no God?
To belive in God or not is nothing you simply choose, like you would choose what sock to wear.
Thomas May 26, 2010
First of all, the Bible is pretty clear. It says that if you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and that he died on the cross for your sins, then you will live forever with God in Heaven. If you don't you shall perish. This is pretty much summed up in John 3:16. In fact, for most of the New Testament, you will find passages declaring the love of God, not the Hellfire and Brimstone that most people hear. Secondly, it is true that we can see the effects of microevolution. The development of camouflage, more acute senses, elongated beaks, etc. pretty much any change that helps a certain species adapt to their surroundings. I do believe, however, that macroevolution, for lack of a better phrase, is just wrong. The theory itself is full of "maybe"s and "believe"s, far too many for science anyway, and the so-called "inferior" life forms are still around. Also, if we are the top of the evolutionary chain, so far, why do we have absolutely no natural, physical methods of survival? We have no claws, we have herbivore teeth,we can't swim, run, or fly, better than any other animal. We have no protective coverings, we can't rely on size, or a show of strength. We have opposable thumbs, like other primates, and our intelligence really only seems to be helpful when we have resources to draw on. We are the smartest creatures on the planet, allegedly, right above dolphins. Somehow, in the whole evolutionary process, we lost all of the natural physical tools that our "ancestors" had, with the exception of thumbs, and we gained intellect that surpassed a marine mammal. How is it that our "ancestors" aren't second on the list? I'm just curious as to why, if there is so much irrefutable scientific evidence, there are still so many questions.
Labiofus Jul 01, 2010
"First of all, the Bible is pretty clear. It says that if you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and that he died on the cross for your sins, then you will live forever with God in Heaven."
So does that mean that if I write a book and state that if you believe that something that cannot be proven to exist or has ever existed is true, then that belief alone makes it true? If you're talking about 'faith' then you are right. Anything else in the known universe and you are wrong.
Thomas Jul 05, 2010
Actually belief alone makes something true, to the believer. Anyone that has ever truly believed in anything will tell you that. Also, I would just like to point out that Jesus was a real person, historians from all walks of life have found this to be true. Most of his travels are supported by historical documents that aren't the Bible. The purpose and motive of his travels, and his true identity, are the only real points of debate. In addition, while there is no direct proof of God's existence, I believe that his existence is shown through the various events in history and life that cannot be explained by science. Lastly, it is true that it has become disgustingly easy to start a "religion," or cult, this does not mean however that those who believe in them are wrong, it just means that they believe different things than you do.
P.S. There is no irrefutable evidence of the Big Bang, or macroevolution, yet these are accepted as scientific fact. Before attacking a religion like its a science, you might want to make sure your science isn't a religion.
Ashley Jul 11, 2010
Looking at the surviving historical sources other than the bible at the time of Jesus...there are SCANT references to him. There is Tacitus, Pliny the Younger and Josephus...that's about it.
Many Christian writers began writings defending him toward the end of the first century...but other than the above references...all we know about the person Jesus is from the gospels/epistles etc.
Mikey Boy Dec 08, 2010
"Actually belief alone makes something true, to the believer."
No, it doesn't. Either it's true or it isn't. Mental delusion doesn't manifest things into reality.
No need Feb 27, 2011
I hate to join in on this debate over religion or non-religion. However, it is true that one can make their "own reality". According to Schrodinger's cat, one can believe that the cat is either alive or dead in their mind. Until someone can physically prove them wrong by measuring the cat's "deadness" that person's believe of the livelihood of the cat is reality! I am a seventeen year old teen and even i know that. Therefore choose what you want to believe and we shall see in the end what is reality... but do not try and disprove something you know nothing about.
Sysyphus Apr 12, 2011
...and you appear to know nothing about Schrodinger's cat other than what you've picked up from popular entertainment (the dreadful Big Bang Theory perhaps?)
The cat undergoing abuse is a thought experiment which asks: how can one know when a superposition of quantum states snaps to one or other? It's an exploration of the paradox that Schrodinger saw in some work by Einstein and others, that's known as "quantum entanglement".
It has nothing to do with "making your own reality" outside of pop culture.
sean Nov 29, 2011
While I have no reply about evolution since biology is not the field of science i particularly care about. I do have a reply to the point you made about the Big Bang being accepted as scientific fact without any precursory evidence to prove it as such. Let me start by saying i have had an interest in physics since a very young age, probably when I looked through my first telescope at the age of 5. Now, Just so I leave no rock unturned... the current big bang theory states that nearly 13.7 billion years ago, our universe, including all the matter and space was packed into an EXTREMELY HOT, tiny tiny tiny speck. So tiny that a speck of dust might as well be the entire universe as it looks to you... then in an instant, the universe started to expand... it did not EXPLODE! it simply started to rapidly expand. now without getting into the nitty gritty, there were patches of "universe" which were more densely packed with matter than others, and as the universe continued to expand and cool, these dense spots became the galaxies that we now see. So how do we get from spacious galaxies to a furiously hot speck as the start of the universe? It starts with Einstein's General Relativity, which originally had predicted that the universe was expanding, but Einstein decided to "fix" this, due to his stubborn taste for a static universe, with a "Cosmological Constant" which made the universe static and unchanging. Which by the way was proven to be a mistake by I think Hubble, who observed that galaxies were moving apart. (recently a Nobel Prize was awarded for the discovery that the universe is actually expanding at an Accelerated rate.) Anyway Einstein was embarrassed by his Cosmological constant and called it "the biggest blunder of his life". So now we see that the universe is obviously expanding so what was it doing in the past? For this we need to establish what Dr. Brian Greene calls an "arrow of time". Which if you are interested you can read the establishment of this arrow and how we come about with the big bang theory more in depth in his book "The Fabric of the Cosmos" Anyway Greene uses a well respected and mathematically derived theory of Entropy to set the direction of this arrow. Entropy is a theory of thermodynamics which states "any physical system will transition from a state of order to a state of disorder when left to its own devices" Think about an egg falling off your counter, once it hits the floor it smashes into a disorderly mess all over your kitchen. at the start you have an egg, a nice orderly system, at the end you have a disorderly mess. This is how it will always be correct? you could stare at the mess on you floor for eternity but nothing will ever cause the components of the egg to leap into action and reconstruct itself as it was on the counter... the same can be said for the universe. (i had neglected to mention that Einstein's General Relativity brought space and time into one flexible entity "space-time") If as time progresses the universe expands, then if we started to rewind time if you will, we would see the universe begin to shrink. the further and further we go back there is a point where there can be no more shrinking, hence the beginning of the universe.
So yes like religion Science does make assumptions without any precursory evidence, however this is not done blindly. Rather it is done using already established, mathematically sound, and experimentally verified theories along with observation to make an accurate prediction of what could be fact. And by the way the title "Big Bang Theory" is a bit of a misnomer... its really more of a "Big Bang Model" i think the Theory part was published by the media and it just caught on. and to be completely honest not ONE scientist will tell you that the BBT is accepted as scientific fact. it is merely used as a convenient tool to describe what we observe. Truthfully any PhD Scientist will tell you that there is no such thing as a scientific fact. Its all theory, some are just accepted more than others.
Labiofus Jul 01, 2010
"I do believe, however, that macroevolution, for lack of a better phrase, is just wrong. The theory itself is full of "maybe"s and "believe"s, far too many for science anyway, and the so-called "inferior" life forms are still around. "
So by your rationale, if you have a Corvette, and a better one is made, then the 'lesser' one would cease to exist? How do you know that the 'inferior' life form is not a necessary, essential building block that is required for the 'greater' life form to exist?
Thomas Jul 05, 2010
Are you comparing the animal kingdom to cars? I suppose that my rationale, using a car metaphor, would be that when a new model comes out, the old one dies out eventually. That is why people buy new cars, their old ones die out or become less useful. If you say that the animal kingdom and the automotive economy are the same, then wouldn't that mean that the vintage cars should be either rusted wrecks or museum exhibits?
P.S. Why are you comparing something that, according to you, was created by accident, with something that is crafted from plans by a designer?
Rose Feb 21, 2011
Ahem. Excuse me. Thomas. Can you not be one of those Catholic @$$h0L3$? Thanks. I appreciate it. I suggest you go read some of Darwin's findings. Maybe get your nose out of your religious spew and read a book or two about modern science. It might do you some good.
TheScientist Oct 08, 2009
Fellow atheist here.
just one thing-- get your shit straight before trying to act smart:
The word Universe derives from the Old French word Univers, which in turn derives from the Latin word universum. The Latin word was used by Cicero and later Latin authors in many of the same senses as the modern English word is used. The Latin word derives from the poetic contraction Unvorsum â€" first used by Lucretius in Book IV (line 262) of his De rerum natura (On the Nature of Things) â€" which connects un, uni (the combining form of unus, or "one") with vorsum, versum (a noun made from the perfect passive participle of vertere, meaning "something rotated, rolled, changed").[4] Lucretius used the word in the sense "everything rolled into one, everything combined into one".
billwalker Oct 11, 2009
Although you are correct, I think you are a pedantic old poop.
Levering Lewis Oct 18, 2009
And look at how much smarter we have become.
Josh Oct 13, 2010
Its funny that you should say that about a university. cause if it stands for one truth then why does one college teach things one way here and in europe do they teach it another way. Its nothing to do with religion. the universities are a books opinion which has an author. it would be that aurthors interpitation on the subject matter to which he believes the material he writes down was the way it went. the only things that are universal are math, science, and music ( side joke and the coruption of government for their own means not the peoples) those you could consider one truth.
Kara Apr 14, 2011
Because science has proven the Bible and "God" wrong time and time again. Why should we spend money and time trying to prove that fairy tales are true? Moreover, why should I dedicate my time to a document that encourages sexism and slavery and murder and rape?
Levering Lewis Oct 18, 2009
This is correct, 99% of Scientists are Atheist, leaving only 1%.
joe Dec 16, 2009
that is incorrect. a study done shows that somehwere between 90-95% of scientists in the National Academy of Sciences are atheist or agnostic.
Bub Mar 21, 2010
Joe, you assume that all scientists in the world belong to the National Academy of Sciences.
Larry Apr 11, 2009
Easy answer to being "under attack"...keep your mouth shut. I am (for the most part) considered a Christian...I don't actively go to church, and I don't pray (in the traditional sense)...but I also don't volunteer my religious view every time I open my mouth. I have met a rather disproportionate number of people who claim either Paganism (Wicca and the like) or Atheism as their religion (or anti-religion, as is, in each case appropro.) and I have yet to meet one...JUST ONE...who doesn't rattle on about it from the first moments of any conversation.
It seems to me, if you want to avoid persecution for your beliefs...don't go 'round spouting rhetoric to everyone you meet.
I have no discordance with anyone's beliefs, and I expect the same from those I meet...but if the collective thought amongst Atheists is that it takes someone smart to deny the existance of God, well...I can show you a whole room full of Kindergardener-age kids who can back you all up.
That's not an attack on intelligence, just a viewpoint concerning the lack of reference that children have that just happens to coincide with Atheistic beliefs. Instead of attacking a religion for it's faults, why not bend your (obviously) formidable insights towards a more productive goal? Religion has been a force (problematic or not) for almost as long we mankind has been able to communicate amongst his own kind...you are not going to release the mindless masses from the grip of something ingrained into our psyche with clever posters or ad campaigns...I don't think there will ever be a world without a religion...Humans need something to believe in more than they need companionship.
And while I am on about it, helping those who are less fortunate than yourself is a wonderfully humanitarian effort and a greatly fulfilling prospect...it matters not if you are (misguidedly or not) doing it because you feel it is your duty under your religion's tenets, or because you believe in Karma...whatever your reason, good deeds are still good deeds.
I myself have never been at ease with the concepts that Catholicism spreads. I suppose, in my own way, I have come to terms with my faith, and I no longer need the "shepherding" that is offered by organized religions.
Wynnde
John May 06, 2009
If you want atheists to stop voicing their opinion, stop persecuting them.
ReligonKills Dec 27, 2009
Humans need something to believe in? How about the truth. There is no one in the sky concerned about you. You are not special. When you die thats it.
Superjump01 Feb 14, 2010
And Exactly what is "The Truth" or rather "The Truth" in your Opinion. Even Science has been tainted time and time again by over zealous "scientists" so badly in fact that there are more proven forgeries then there have been reliable and legitimate data. How many Fake skeletons of ancient Pre Homo Sapien ancestors does academic science have to suffer through before Scientists finally put forth that work and energy into something Useful.
Thomas May 02, 2010
If every human is equal, and there is no divine force, then why do i need to obey a system of laws that was developed by a government that was founded by a bunch protestants? If evolution is a fact, not just a theory, what right to those pedantic old farts on capitol hill have to tell me what to do? Shouldn't I be able to take whatever I want, and kill whoever I want as long as I CAN do it? Evolution happened, allegedly, because those that could survive or thrive, did. Therefore, if someone can't stop me from doing something, I should be allowed to do it. And why help people? Why give money to charity when you can blow it on luxuries that make your life easier? There is no right or wrong, no karmic balance, or immortal referee keeping score, there is only what people want to do. It is honestly a chaotic and selfish belief that a random explosion sent a cosmic marble into pieces all throughout space, and somehow exactly one species on this planet became capable of speech. Despite a lack of natural defenses of any kind, it somehow managed to become the premier multicellular organism on the planet because of alleged intelligence, which we see everyday on the internet is just a myth.
??? May 30, 2010
It is people like you that piss me off. That situation only happens if an athiest is a sociopath or in realy bad mood. Most atheists-that I know at least-are very civilized and would not randomly kill people. Atheists have no room for an afterlife and thus we don't have the "Awww, it's okay. That deer I just blasted with my shotgun is in heaven now" logic, and thus-usually-we do not kill stuff unless neccecary. Besides, how do you explain the existence of your god?
Thomas May 30, 2010
I was not saying that any group is like this. I was simply asking why any laws need to be obeyed. If we are simply evolved animals, then the only laws that we must adhere to are the laws of nature. If we put stock in any law above the laws of nature, then I wonder as to the reason behind it. I apologize if I offended you or was misunderstood, I do tend to babble when I type.
P.S. I am not a hunter so I do not have to rationalize the death of the aforementioned Deer, but I am also unsure whether deers have a soul. Since I don't hunt, I don't have to rationalize its death. In fact, the only things I kill are bugs, which are evil, so I can kill them with impunity.
Rose Feb 21, 2011
Okay, as I read further down this list, Thomas you are seeming like a real dickhead. Seriously. It's people like you that cause atheists to get cranky and give us our bad name. I'm not publicly telling you that everything you believe in is trash, even though I think it. Oh, wait, I just did. Whoops.
Anyway, you believe in your imaginary friend(s), I'll believe what the people at NASA tell me about space or evolution or whatever the hell else they wannna say. Thanks for being such a bigoted creationist ass.
Reklamfox Jun 11, 2010
Its that classic line of Christian thinking that all social morality comes from the bible and a belief in God, and no one would have any kind of morals or basic respect and decency without a 2000 year old book telling them what to do. Any intelligent and functional member of society can tell you that it is most certainly in your best interest to treat your fellow man with respect and kindness in the hope that they would have enough respect to do the same. This rudimentary system of give and take is something that MOST atheists have a very clear grasp on. We don't need a God or any higher power to tell us to be good people, we just do it because its the right thing to do and it benefits us to help others. It's not selfish to expect that the kindness you show towards others should be returned. And it is quite ridiculous to expect that a book written 2000 years ago by the same people who believed they were backed by God when they stoned women to death should be considered the moral compass to run a country. America is not a Christian nation, it is a nation of free thinkers with the right to believe anything we choose. You want to be a Christian and teach your children about your faith? Thats fine, it's your choice and your business. But when the crazy religious nut jobs (of ANY faith) attempt to push their way into my public schools and try to indoctrinate my children then we have a major problem. How many atheists do you see attempting to force our lack of beliefs into public schools? Do not make the mistake that most religious people make and assume science is the same as atheism. And do not assume that all atheists are blood thirsty amoral Satan worshipers. Being alone doesn't mean being lonely. Why do you need a book to tell you that being a good person is the right thing to do anyway?
Labiofus Jul 01, 2010
"If every human is equal," every human is NOT equal.
"and there is no divine force," define 'divine force' that means something different in almost every culture.
"then why do i need to obey a system of laws that was developed by a government that was founded by a bunch protestants?" because the needs of the many out-weigh the needs of the few. As a 'socially dependant' species those laws are made (theoretically) by the group to deem what is 'socially' acceptable. If you don't want to obey them, move to where there are no other people and you can do whatever you want, until then you are a part of a culture therefore you are 'suppose' to follow the rules of that culture.
"If evolution is a fact, not just a theory," evolution is proven and is a fact. To which extent is the current debate.
"what right to those pedantic old farts on capitol hill have to tell me what to do?" Because people like you and others of your species elected them.
"Shouldn't I be able to take whatever I want, and kill whoever I want as long as I CAN do it?" You can, in the earlier years of humans evolution it was simply the strong did survive. You can still do that but there are penalties for those actions because the rest of your species made the conscious decision to 'say' that those action are not acceptable.
"Evolution happened, allegedly," evolution did happen, it has been proven.
"because those that could survive or thrive, did. Therefore, if someone can't stop me from doing something, I should be allowed to do it." You are allowed to do whatever you want, but their are consequences for those actions as deemed by the rest of your species. Many species in nature banish, kill their like because of certain actions.
"And why help people? Why give money to charity when you can blow it on luxuries that make your life easier?" Good question, why does a wounded animal recieve help in licking their wounds from a parent or another of their species. Compassion, greed, almost every 'human' emotion/trait can be found within other species in nature.
"There is no right or wrong, no karmic balance, or immortal referee keeping score, there is only what people want to do." right versus wrong is an issue of morality, not science.
"It is honestly a chaotic and selfish belief that a random explosion sent a cosmic marble into pieces all throughout space, and somehow exactly one species on this planet became capable of speech. Despite a lack of natural defenses of any kind, it somehow managed to become the premier multicellular organism on the planet because of alleged intelligence, which we see everyday on the internet is just a myth." -- and the belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your Master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree, somehow makes perfect, unquestionable sense to you?
Mikey Boy Dec 08, 2010
"And why help people? Why give money to charity when you can blow it on luxuries that make your life easier? There is no right or wrong, no karmic balance, or immortal referee keeping score, there is only what people want to do"
What an absurd notion. Are you telling us that if you no longer believed in a God starting tomorrow you would do all these things? Like random killings and such? If you answer yes: You should be committed.
If you answer no, then you may get a hint of true logic and reason ping in your mind.
Morality doesn't stem from faith based beliefs. Empathy is a natural trait in almost every species we know of.
Think things through before making such a mindless statement.
??? May 30, 2010
Strange. You are christion, but you speak (type) like an atheist, like where you say "religion has been around almost as long as mankind". Unless of curce you mean that god came down one day and told all the cavemen to be religious. On that matter though; humans have been able to communicate ever since their existence-and even a creationist can't argue that. But paleoantropologists have found evidence in the belief in an afterlife and possibly god/gods/dieties from the time of the last ice age. Chimps do communicate.
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Did it ever occur to anyone that time does not exist? In the grand scheme of the universe, time is irrelevant. Humans created time.
So, if you question where the speck of dust came from to create the universe, how can you not question where god came from to create that dust? It's really the same concept...something was there to create the universe, whether it be god or just some dust.
matt dama Apr 25, 2009
dude that shit blew my mind i never thought of it that way. Hes right and you all know it no one knows where the dust from the big bang came from but no one can answer where god came from.
Cristian Mar 29, 2010
if someone made god then they also had to have come from somewhere right? Wrong. weeee endless loop!
Steve Sep 18, 2009
well.. also with that god had to come from something.. sure u can believe in that as much as u will.. but take it one step farther than.. where the world come from, the galaxy everything beyond.. there had to of been a start? no?
Bub Mar 21, 2010
IF God created the universe, space and time, then I think it's safe to say he doesn't exist inside them or depend upon them; he's not restricted by them, I mean. That being so, there was also nothing before him. "Before" requires time. If he made time, he's the boss of it. Just logically speaking.
Cristian Mar 29, 2010
GOD MADE IT! its one of the most basic doctrines.
Aborigine Searcher Apr 30, 2010
if you could prove it, then I will believe in your god/dog. Like what you said, basic doctrine, who wrote it?A man right?Who said so?A man right?Just give me one proof that HE did it. Then I'll kneel infront of a church as soon as I see a proof of what you said.
Thomas May 02, 2010
I am pretty sure that while science requires proof, which the Big Bang theory still lacks, religion is defined by a belief system and a way of life which involves living by FAITH, which is trust that something is true in the absence of incontrovertible evidence. The unproven theory of macro-evolution and the Big Bang theory, are in fact as religious as the Creation story. You BELIEVE, you have faith, that somehow a small marble broke the laws of science and just appeared, and exploded into the universe, which, on at least one planet, developed life forms that grew, through no real necessity, into humans which founded societies unlike any animal kingdom hierarchy, and in fact less efficient, which led your parents to have you. To claim something is SCIENTIFIC FACT you have to have proof. To BELIEVE SOMETHING IS FACT you require only faith that it is true.
Labiofus Jul 01, 2010
With all that science does know and can prove, it it more reasonable and/or probabable that the forces of nature created the universe or that one specific God-like entity did? While science may not be able to prove everything, the bible proves even less. The religious side of the fence ultimately uses 'faith' as the answer to every equation.
Thomas Jul 05, 2010
But science has always required irrefutable evidence in order to turn a theory into a fact. If you want to believe that the Big Bang theory is a theory and that macro-evolution is PROBABLY what happened, that is fine by me, people are welcome to believe whatever they want. But what irks me is people stating it as a fact. I say that I believe that what the Bible says is true, while scientists say that evolution is true. I only speak up when it is treated as a fact when, until proven, it is still a theory. I realize that the Bible has less scientific support then evolution, but that is why it is religion, not science.
Rose Feb 21, 2011
Yo Thomas, where did God come from?
??? May 30, 2010
BULLSHIT! What's a doctrine?
kumash Jan 23, 2010
fellow atheist here...
actually i thought about that a week before viewing this whole page.
Cristian Mar 29, 2010
didn't someone say time was made by man?
Christian Mar 29, 2010
oops wrong place to post. sorry.
Nitin Jun 02, 2010
hahaha.. the clocks n watches fell from the sky..!!!
Levering Lewis Oct 18, 2009
But Science would be much better without religion because every time a theory comes about, there is a religious person saying that it is insane and against the bible. The only reason that evolution remains a theory and not a fact is due to religious people contradicting it with nonsense. Plus, we understand that not all things in Science have an explanation YET, but we will get there a lot faster without religious interference.
Dave C Dec 01, 2009
I can't take it anymore...evolution is still a theory because thats all it is!!! A theory!!! No proof whatsoever!!! Why do we still have ape,if we evolved from them? Hell, why do we still have primordial soup floating around in our swamps? There are no facts to truly back it up!!! It is just another...Religion!!!!!
ReligonKills Dec 27, 2009
Obviously you don't understand that the scientific meaning of theory isn't quite the same as the usual cultural reference to the word. Gravity is just a theory, does that mean I won't fall if I jump off a cliff?
Bub Mar 21, 2010
Being ingrained in me since gradeschool, I do understand the theories of evolution in all their flavors (all of them except aliens and Barney the Purple Dinosaur. I'll get back to you on that one) and the scientific method and so on.
What we observe and report are (typically beneficial, but not always) changes throughout a population over a period of time. We observe this ourselves, from coat color to limb/body ratio (arctic animals). What we don't observe are jumps between species. We have no missing links of any kind (that's why they're still missing). To say that we of course will find them in the future is unreliable. Speak of what we have already found, then hypothesize from there. What we have uncovered are snapshots of strikingly different species around the world, but nothing between them. The flipbook, so to speak, is frankly really crappy.
I'm not saying this is the basis of my theory, not by any means. I'm just saying it's something I've noticed in yours (yours of course being plural here).
On another note, the entire process of fossil dating based on sandwiching soil stata dated based on other fossils within dated based on where they fit in the evolutionary timeline is circular. Correct me if I'm wrong on this one, but right now I don't like it.
Chris Mar 15, 2011
Fossils are typically dated via Carbon dating techniques, which are accurate to within a few hundred years, if I remember Correctly, not via soil strata dating. Soil strata just gives a rough estimate of the age the fossil is coming from, the fossil itself gives the carbon dating data that locks it's time in.
Thomas May 02, 2010
Definitions of theory as provided by Merriam-Webster:
1 : the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2 : abstract thought : speculation
3 : the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art
4 a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances â€"often used in the phrase in theory
5 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena
6 a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption
Tell me where in here the definition of theory you are using? Where in this definition does it say "an idea accepted as scientifically factual, despite lacking the necessary evidence?"
Labiofus Jul 01, 2010
While theories in the arts and philosophy may address ideas and not easily observable empirical phenomena, in modern science the term "theory", or "scientific theory" is generally understood to refer to a proposed explanation of empirical phenomena, made in a way consistent with the scientific method. Such theories are preferably described in such a way that any scientist in the field is in a position to understand, verify, and challenge (or "falsify") it. In this modern scientific context the distinction between theory and practice corresponds roughly to the distinction between theoretical science and technology or applied science.
Thomas Jul 05, 2010
Since things that are shown theoretically are often different in practice, would you be willing to say that while the Evolutionary theory is probable, it is not a fact? You have made the comparison between theoretical science and applied science, yet things from theoretical science, when applied, often undergoes changes to compensate for things that cannot be accounted for in a theoretical setting. Following this example is it possible that different, but related, evolutionary theory may be correct?
silly Me Jun 01, 2011
Now this one is funny
James Mathew Anderson May 10, 2010
Apes still exist because we were seperated from them by natural barriers. We still have primordial soup because of the definition of what primoridal soup is (It's not something that goes away). We KNOW evolution happens: that's fact. The THEORY is that we evolved from primates; because our DNA and bone structure is so similer. The evidence for the big bang is that the universe is expanding. What came before the big band was the 'Bulk' and the 'Bull' always was and always will be. The Big Bang is a theory, is has evidence in support of it, but can not be proven. The 'Bulk' is some where between a theory and a hypothises, it's evidence in math. Religion is neither a theory nor a hypothises, it is just an idea.
Thomas May 26, 2010
If natural barriers are the only reason that apes still exist, then why are their humans and apes that are indigenous to the same regions? Why are their people, but not apes in Australia? Why are kangaroos only present there? As to your evolution point, yes it is true that evolution happens. The type of evolution is the sticking point. Is it macroevolution, where a whole new species or genus is created? Is it microevolution, or adaptation, in which a single species of animal changes over time to adapt to its environment? And if evolution is environmentally driven, and evolution is how we came to be, what environmental situation are we better equipped to survive than other animals?
Labiofus Jul 01, 2010
Evolution does not conclude that once a species evolves that the original species disappears. By your rationale you are saying that if man evolved from apes then no apes should be left on the planet? So we should only have 1 kind of fish in the sea, 1 kind of bird in the sky, 1 kind of cat, 1 kind of dog, etc?
Thomas Jul 05, 2010
Since we all, theoretically, evolved from the same creature, then, due to the climb up the evolutionary ladder, the eventually only one creature will remain. This single creature or species will be all that remains because it will be the fittest. It will survive where other creatures die and, according to the survival of the fittest philosophy, be the survivor.
Ezio Jul 25, 2010
Your rudimentary understanding of biology has led you to the conclusion that there would ultimately be only one species left in the world. This is a fallacy. Creatures and pretty much everything in this little fish tank we call earth are interdependent.
Evolution does not have a set goal it is simply moving on so there's no reason why another species, or natural factor, can bring about the demise of what looks like an unbeatable species.
There are things that are difficult to account for in tracing evolution. These include adapting to climate change, being overtaken by other species that have adapted, and cultural variables. The reason we see undesirable traits live on in certain animal societies is because of the community protecting one another.
Humans do not have so many great defenses but what we accomplish is due to the effort of the group. We went from scavenging to encroaching land when we built societies. We used intellect and we developed better tools.
Looking at only the genes may be a mistake. (It makes me sweat to make such a bold statement without having the proper credentials.) You must account for all these little variables that can make a big difference. The theory is solid. I won't go into abiogenesis because the theory of evolution explains the variety of species.
A big blow to the theory would be a fossil inexplicably out of place, this is excluding those that move due to the earth it was in moving. Another big blow could be something like say a pegasus. It would require what is a statistical impossibility a mammal to develop avian wings for flight. The theory of evolution has passed these trials with flying colors.
Nathan Pilkington Oct 19, 2011
Why arnt apes in australia? it really isnt a complex concept, we live on moving continental plates which have drifted apart of millions of years, originating from one giant continent-pangea, the early origins of humans descend from etheopia and have made movement into eurasia with some moving south to the australasian continent which has now divided several times dividing papa new guinea and malaysia and australia. with technological advances people have made their way to colinise other areas of the planet naturally, apes may not have inhabited certain areas of the planet due to varying habitats, for example hey would not reside in arid desert e.g australia, kangaroos are equipped for this environment, and us home sapiens are the forefront of evolution, the most complex, we have the ability to think logically, access situations, and have morality. hope this helps
Aaron Smyth Dec 07, 2009
This simply is NOT true. Never has been true. And, why would an omnipotent being NEED proving by science? Would he not simply reveal everything?
God does not exist...get used to it...and when you die...blissful oblivion.
Bub Mar 21, 2010
An omnipotent being *needs* nothing, only wants. If he simply revealed everything all at once, would we really understand it? What would it gain him?
Besides, it would leave us with fifteen minutes less to do in our spare time.
Christian Mar 29, 2010
catholics and Christians (forgive my spelling) beleive that if he does something of that sort we die. i don't feel like risking that.
Michael Dec 11, 2009
No but see, the thing is, you're wrong.
James Mathew Anderson May 12, 2010
I'd like to congradulate you on your unr rivaled use of evidence in your arugment.
James M. Anderson Jul 17, 2010
"You do realize that Christians searching to understand God and how He created all of this (created it for himself, not for us) are the driving force behind most of the scientific advances since the dark ages?"
They were also the driving force behind it's suppresion and the burning of its creators. As for it not being for us? Not a very Humanist outlook on life you have.
"Many Christians still feel this way."
Of course they do.
"Evolution explains how animals have become so diverse, but not how humans separated from the rest of the animals."
Blatantly wrong. We came into existance the same way they did.
"The big bang explains how the universe was formed and how it is continuing to spread, but not where the cloud of cosmic dust came from."
Blatantly wrong. The big bang theory states that an infinitely dense mass expanded outward. MASS. The dust (really it was Hydrogen gas) cloud came into being.
"Yes we should continue the search for answers in every ethical way."
Morality is the embodiemeant of the Super Ego. In short, it's how we are trained to act. It is not set. Ethics don't matter.
"We may eventually find definitively that man evolved from the other animals,"
We already have. All life on Earth shares a common ancestor. This has been proven time and time again.
"but there are many of us who would not find that a contradiction of the truths of the Bible."
Then why don't you believe it already? Religion is a corruption of mankind.
Stuff Sep 08, 2011
we actually do know exactly what separated us from other animals. It was our ability to stand upright and attack from a distance both accurately and lethally. Every other animal must engage in hand to hand combat which is much more dangerous. 10 against 1 fighting in close combat the one has much higher chance of doing more damage than the one who is fighting against 10 people all with ranged weapons. From there we were able to start cooperating which lets us ostracize members of society who are not following the rules. Now since we protect each other our female ancestors can have longer pregnancies that render them pretty defenseless and our babies can continue developing even after birth because we will protect them until they're old enough to help society and themselves. And by "us" i mean our evolutionary ancestors. So ya, we do know how we have separated from every other species.
imperium has no rival Apr 11, 2009
US imperium has no rival, thanks to Gorbachev suicidal disolution of USSR. This tragic useful idiot was abused by US imperialism, and was so naive that he believed that NATO will disapear same way as Warsaw PACT as one was established against the other. Instead US has 747 military bases and the number still growing. the biggest now is bondsteel in kosovo - a muslim jihad creation to make endles problems for EU. neoclowns craziness was limited to 2 unjust agressive wars, but Brzezi%u0144ski madness is unlimited. hi wants to control russia or at least constantly anoying it thru such regimes as georgia run by anti russia and anti georgia idiot sakashwili. Thanks Nial Ferguson we know that US will loose 1 place as superpower affter MMXXXI same way as great britain after the second war.
Tobias Oct 16, 2009
Meh theres a flamewar up already so i'm just gonna say 1 thing:
When athiests say that A LOT of christians want a no science education you're very VERY wrong and saying that we're holding science back is unfair as most science development has been because they want to further their knowlage of god.
But some of the pictures themselves were funny but i felt that it was just made to start a flame war up i mean really why post loads of anti-god posters? Seroiusly less than 5% of the world is athiest (check wikiapedia it's true) you're highly likely to insult someone!
Julie Nov 27, 2009
We're likely to insult someone with this? Relious freaks insult us everyday. I really hate how they will go about bashing us for making a comment every now and again but they find it A-OH-KAY to come around door to door everyday to try and convert us Ridiculous.
Bub Mar 21, 2010
"Do unto others as you would wish others to do unto you."
I don't mean to be abrasive by quoting the Bible here, I just think it's very appropriate (it's part of our secular culture besides). You can only do your part. If someone offends you, should you really offend them back?
But on another note, if I may say something about the door-to-door, they really don't mean to or see it as insulting you at all. They see it as an invitation. You have every right to reject, but they mean you no harm.
Personally, I would encourage you to explore everything out there (though you may be already. DO IT MOAR ^^).
silly Me Jun 01, 2011
Actually this quote can not be found in the bible
Thomas May 02, 2010
Seriously where is all of this atheist-bashing going on? Am I just oblivious to recent news? Last I saw America was becoming more and more secular.
ReligonKills Dec 27, 2009
To live in a world and a country where most people assume there is magical dude in the sky is offensive to us atheists... and to people who are able to reason.
DrPepC Mar 18, 2010
Just throwing this out there... stop wasting time arguing because time is the thing you can't control. One day you will die and whether you are just dead or you float away to a magical place, whatever your thought process... This arguement will flow on as long as the world exists. You might as well just drop it. Our differences and ideas are what make people who they are as individuals. To tell someone they cannot think for themselves and they are wrong no matter what they say because they are religious (or atheist) is inhumane. This is just another form of hate speach. Im not picking a side, its pointless to argue. Have a great day.
Christian Mar 29, 2010
its a debate. its not pointless its about beliefs and whether theres a god and heaven ectera.
Thomas May 02, 2010
Where is you proof of evolution, atheist-boy? Where? Can you put it here in front of me? The way you are talking you must be an expert, so you can surely explain to me the evidence that turns EVOLUTIONARY THEORY into SCIENTIFIC FACT?
Nitin Jun 02, 2010
Looks like you know everything.. Mr. Knowitall.. Let me show you the fact of evolution.. a Eve was created from Adam's rib!!??.. is that what you believe in.. retard..!!??
Thomas Jun 05, 2010
Yes I believe that. No I am not retarded, at least as far as I can tell. And You have not answered my question. Now that you have berated and insulted me, could you perhaps attempt to enlighten me instead of simply being a tool. I eagerly await your response so that I may enter the ranks of the enlightened. Whenever you are ready.
Rogue Aug 28, 2010
Where Sir is your SCIENTIFIC FACT that the Bible and all the "stories" are true? I bet you believe Noah grabbed some Dinosaur eggs on his big old boat and probably had saddles ready to ride the big guysonce they hatched..........you make no sense.......you want facts yet you believe in a myth one I might add that if you ever decided to research is much older than your Bible.....lots of religions have the exact same story line as your precious "Jesus"......do some homework then come back and have an intelligent conversation based on FACT.
Nathan Pilkington Oct 19, 2011
Read richard dawkins- the greatest show on earth, it explains perfectly, and oh so beautifully how evolution certifies as a fact in the oxford dictionary, and not a thoery, all religion is a theory, all of it, since the beginning of time, im not against religion at all, it provides a moral compass for people who need direction in the world, it has undoubtedly caused alot of conflict, i dont believe in indoctrination, but optionally conforming to a religion and also respecting other peopls views and opinions is fine, just have a bit of a wider concept please- athiest arnt going against religion, they just see reality as beautiful, why does their ultiately have to be a designer to everything around us?
Henry Dec 30, 2009
Actually, 15.0% in the US are non-religious. It's the third highest demographic behind Baptist (15.8%) and Catholic (25.1%). There are also 5.2% who did not know their religion, or did not reply to the survey. Here is the link just so we're sure that we aren't looking at different wikipedia articles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
And just so you don't say something about the world being more religious, 16% of the world is non-religious. So the US is above average when it comes co concocting asinine theories.
Here's the cite for that one too:
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
George Jun 04, 2010
It says Atheist in the tagline. I don't go to Christian or Muslim websites and talk about how offended I am. I avoid them. Believers stay out of my circle of friends, or they get treated like dirt. If you don't want to be abused, leave. It's like when the child-like Muslims get offended at Muhammad drawings. If it offends you, either don't look, or grow some thicker skin.
Condorsa Jan 29, 2013
No one cares if you don't practice a religion. But being atheist is not code for insulting a religion. I shouldn't have to grow thick skin, you should know the boundaries of respect so you don't get labeled an arrogant bigot.
Cristian Mar 29, 2010
you mean history?
Chad Apr 15, 2010
how do you get that biology is the study of evolution? please explain. i and my public school science education were under the impression that biology is the study of life. As for the science in school argument, i firmly believe we need science in schools. However as far as the THEORIES of how life came to be, i believe that should be left to the individual to decide which is more reasonable, not crammed down their throats by schools or ignorant christians who know nothing about what they're trying to say. i am a christan but in these times it's almost embarassing to say that given the attitude and lack of knowledge most christians display.
Thomas May 02, 2010
As the study of life, biology would certainly be the field where the origin of life is studied, would it not? And teaching evolution is necessary in school, and most people don't care that it is taught. The fact that it is taught as a fact is what ticks people off.
Thomas May 02, 2010
The major innovations that led to The American Superpower were in physics and chemistry. While striking Biology from schools is not right, making sure that evolution is taught correctly, AS A THEORY, is fine with me. And atheists are under attack? Since when? Last I checked it was the religious behaviors and traditions that were being stricken from society.
Jeff Nov 08, 2010
But it is also not my fault that a 2000 year old book contradicts science. Their are things in the bible that not even science can explain. Also we have found remenants of things that happened in biblical times. I have a theory if you will ok and my theory is as such: the bible says that God created the world in 7 days and science says that it took billions of years well what if those billions of yrs was 7 days to God. Also the big bang theory has many holes becasue somethnig cannot just happen out of nowhere, so I believe that God created the big bang with his mighty finger lol. So just think about it.
OAS Apr 08, 2009
Wow, you're wrong about atheists AND goths. Nice job.
Alex Apr 08, 2009
Man goths claim they don't conform but they conform to the same "non-conformist" image. ie black makeup, clothes, and chains. They define themselves by the other (mainstream image) like atheists generally define themselves by ridiculing religion.
I'm right on this point. You know it, at least about goths.
OAS Apr 09, 2009
It must be a privilege and a burden to be able to ascertain the motives of entire subcultures and belief systems without ever needing to listen to anyone from that group. Why, you could easily go incognito into an atheist forum or a goth club, and I'm sure no one would suspect you for a moment! It must be a gift from God.
Is it too much to expect you to ask questions instead of relying on stereotypes and your own assumptions? Oh! But then it wouldn't be all about you. Naturally, anyone who has a different perspective must only be doing it to rebel against your religion and your wardrobe. How solipsistic can you be, man?
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Meatmonkey May 07, 2009
Anyone who accepts the label "goth" is a poser. It's a label created by someone else.
Thomas May 02, 2010
I am just curious, as my experience with people that I would describe as Gothic might have been out of the ordinary, have you ever seen one Goth?
heaye Apr 15, 2009
you guys argue about what you will never really know, i bet youll make some good points.
Will Apr 08, 2009
"I have yet to meet an atheist that just relaxes in their world view."
This is almost certainly not true. A good number of nonbelievers don't bother to advertise their stance because it's simply not an issue they're dwelling on, so you've probably met many atheists and never even known it.
"You revel in your opposition to the belief systems. That means you define yourself by it."
I'm a skeptic and a cynic -- I enjoy and consider it important to take apart fallacious arguments, whether religious, political, scientific, or what have you. I'm no more defined by my opposition to religious belief than I am by my opposition to political belief, and if I bother to engage in debate it's in the sincere desire to come to a point in time where I will not have to be subjected yet again to the same woolly-headed thinking that I'm faced with, or better yet to have my own argument defeated and learn something new in the process.
The problem is simple -- if you do not literally live and die by every last command given throughout the entire bible then your Christian faith is hollow. If you pick and choose which portions of the book to listen to then you can't call yourself a Christian. More importantly once you discard some of the instructions of that book (stoning for disobedient children and those who work on Sundays for instance) there is no reason to attach special significance to any of it. Either it is a complete and inviolable text, without exception and with God's own imprimatur, or it's just another book. I've found value in plenty of portions of the book -- the Song of Solomon has some nice bits, and Jesus seemed like a decent if confused man. I don't call myself a Christian or pretend that the book has unique significance to me. I've also found valuable lessons in other ancient mythology, the poetry of e.e. cummings, and the allegory of Moby Dick. If I were to form an argument based on Dick's portrayal of hubris I would not call on Melville's authority to defend my argument, but examples of how pride -- in and out of that text -- lead to bad results. The ultimate shortcoming of the ethical teachings of the bible (aside from their own contradictions within the text) is that they almost all rest on the authority of God and the threat of damnation to justify them. In many cases there is no meaningful argument for these proscriptions without these threats and intimidation. Even the nice bits with Jesus are largely proclamations and parable without substantive argument behind them.
So, the argument for Christianity is that based solely on the (long since transcribed in difficult to translate ancient tongues, with many variants of the source texts in existence) word of an absolute deity who refuses to show himself or act directly to correct the faults of his own creation, we are to follow a byzantine and inconsistent code of conduct that advocates murder by mobs, discrimination, slavery, and war. The authority this god is presumed to have is derived entirely from claims made in a single book supposedly written by . . . himself. (Meanwhile a number of similar books with differing proscriptions and commands present similarly absolute arguments based on similar reasoning. The Christian bible makes no effort to justify itself over their counterclaims.)
My counter offer is that people mind their own business, make peace and fairness their first goals in conduct, and mostly just try not to be dicks. My argument rests on no authority but can rather be supported by the countless examples of how this manner of living leads to increased happiness and productivity for everyone, including the practitioner.
So no, when I'm at home or out for a drink or socializing I don't often go out of my way to bring up any particular religion. I'm far more likely to talk about some geeky tech stuff or music or food. But -- just like if someone were in my vicinity trying to sell Amway or gather a crowd to go queer stomping or steal a car -- when it's in my face I'll spare a few minutes to try and quell that noise.
Sybil Smith Apr 16, 2009
Regarding April 8, 2009 comment, Will, Good job, write a book,entitle it "Will's Words", I will buy and read it.
Christian Mar 29, 2010
and Islam will (pun intended) declare holy war. fail.
ravenlynne May 10, 2009
Brilliant, Will. Great food for thought!
Christian Mar 29, 2010
rotten food but...
Brandon Aug 15, 2009
I... I think I love you.
Christian Mar 29, 2010
i don't hope so. *cough* *gay* *cough*
Anthony Oct 29, 2009
That is a work of art sir. I completely agree with you, because not to do so would completely disagree with my own way of living. People are to worried about "God", when they should be worrying about mankind and if we are doing all we can to make lives better, and to make our race stronger as a whole.
Thomas May 26, 2010
Why bother? If we are just going to die and, poof into nothingness, why make sure anything gets better? If there is no absolute moral standard, why care? People should just say, "Screw you fellow humans, I'm going to enjoy my existence!!" Why bother worrying about other people? It's not like they matter.
Thomas May 26, 2010
BTW, humans are a species. By saying make our race stronger you sound kind of like a racist.
Frank Dec 21, 2010
Ever hear a little term called the human RACE? Racism makes no sense as we are all human and thus of one race.
Bree Nov 05, 2009
I love it how you atheists think you all so special and alternative. We have our beliefs and you have...you know. I feel that you have no reason to bash and crash our want for a spritual, giuding outline for our lives. Christianity is relative, (for me being a lutheran) we all have our interpretations of God and Christianity in general. If you live by the earth than thats ok. I respect that, but you militant atheists are beginning to make unnessesary accusations for us christians. Grow up. And for you passive atheists... thank you for sharing your point of view. I will take it into consideration. Otherwise We will do our thing and you can do yours. Hows that.
Henry Dec 30, 2009
The problem with letting religions "do their thing": People who believe in them hijack airplanes and crash them into buildings, starve their children because they believe god will feed them, and just all and out murder people they disagree with fundamentally.
I respect that you are peaceful in your beliefs Bree, but with all the pain, suffering, intolerance, and countless other negatives that accompany religion, I just don't think there will ever be a day when religion and peace can coexist, nor do I think I will ever be able accept religion as something other than a problem, let alone affiliate myself with it.
Bub Mar 21, 2010
Henry, given what you've said, I wouldn't say it's any of those religions "doing their thing", but the people. While religions may be flawed, they are not the mass of the problem. People are.
Christian Mar 29, 2010
i have only seen this in Muslims.
Thomas May 02, 2010
Actions like this can probably be found by the EXTREMISTS in every religion. Judging an entire religion by the actions of their extremists, is sort of like judging all brownies, by tasting the one that was made of dog poop.
Bub Mar 21, 2010
Will, I wouldn't say a person is not a Christian or not a Jew or not a Muslim if they don't choose to stone their own child for disobedience. A Jew is a child of Israel, a Christian is a follower of Christ, and a Muslim is a follower of Mohammed.
Christian Mar 29, 2010
OMG! THAT IS THE MOST CRAP I HAVE HEARD! HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU READ THE BIBLE! "for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" oh well we are all dead. you said that we have to lead perfect lives. thats utter BULLSHIT. for the 5 fingers i have the bible doctrine: Christ died for my sins
Christian Mar 29, 2010
Jesus refuted the pharisees claims and traps several times
Thomas May 02, 2010
So despite the fact that science is the study of change, and by many people's admission, science and religion are not mutually exclusive, you don't believe that an act can change something? The laws were harsher in the old testament because they had to make sacrifices to atone. In the New testament however, Jesus was that sacrifice, forever and for all, that accompanied with Roman law, actually made many of the Old Testament, Jewish laws obsolete. That is why they call it the new testament, not the Old Testament Revisited.
Ezio Jul 26, 2010
Thomas, you talked about a change in the laws. This means they are not unchanging and therefore fall under the scope of Euthyphro's Dilemma. This means there is no way any moral teaching of the bible can be held as dogma and that reasoning is a better alternative in discerning morals.
Thomas May 02, 2010
Also it is possible to believe in something and not be a nuisance. many Christians aren't shouting through their neighbors front doors with megaphones y'know.
Levering Lewis Oct 18, 2009
We do not define ourselves by Atheism at all. I have met stupid Atheists and stupid religious people, as well as smart Atheists and smart religious people. You say you have never met an Atheist that is relaxed, well I call BULLSHIT on that. The reason is because you are religious and probably don't hang out with Atheists, just as I am an Atheists and so are a majority of my good friends. I have better things to do in my life than argue religion, but if the opportunity presents itself why the hell not. Plus, most Atheists have explored and studied religion to make sure they understand what they are disbelieving. I have never seen a religious person that has studied Atheism or even taken time to understand it.
Christian Mar 29, 2010
all i do is point to will and let my jaw fall at his ignorance. perfect lives?!?! you think that christians are even 50% pure at all times?!
Craig Jan 02, 2011
I feel like you didn't read Will's comment carefully, or maybe not at all. He wasn't saying that Christians live their lives perfectly, nor that they must be pure to call themselves Christian, merely that the true problem within religions, the example being Christianity, is when a person or persons who follow that religion try to make you eat everything at the buffet. Sure it may all be delicious, but I'd rather pick and choose what I want to eat. If I want the roast beef, mashed potatoes, and green beans I don't want someone to shove the entire selection of cheeses down my throat or the spaghetti into my mouth.
That's what I got from that 'work of art.' Although I'm sure are many different interpretations, I don't believe what Christian said was anywhere near being inside the cone of rightness.
-Craig "The 'Ballz Out' Wolf" Darcie
Thomas May 02, 2010
I have in fact spoken with many atheists, and people whose beliefs are not my own. I have not openly mocked their beliefs, and have tried to investigate their beliefs as politely as possible in the past. It is when I must offer my beliefs to them that a debate starts. I do not actively seek debate, only current knowledge on why people believe whatever it is they believe. The only "religion" I openly mock is Scientology, and that is mostly because their religion was founded by a science fiction author.
Wilma Jun 06, 2010
"But I have yet to meet an atheist that just relaxes in their world view. Every single one I have met, and for the most part the ones online actively and pompously aggrandize themselves."
Maybe not every atheist you've met has let it be known that he/she is an atheist. Therefore - invalid argument.
Caty Feb 21, 2011
Okay I know I'm a little late to the debate here, but I just want to respond to this.
"But I have yet to meet an atheist that just relaxes in their world view. Every single one I have met, and for the most part the ones online actively and pompously aggrandize themselves."
I would just like to say that I am an atheist, I believe that after death we simply cease to exist, I believe that even though the world can be a horrible, amoral place, it can also be really, really beautiful, and that is not because of any god(s). I am comfortable with my belief, and I don't go out of my way to attack any believers. I recognize your right to believe what you wish, and I hope you recognize the same for me. The only time that I will use any actual facts against believers is when they attack my beliefs first. I don't go looking for a fight, but I will defend myself.
chilli Sep 10, 2011
Religious people always look down on everyone else who doesn't follow their own specific religion just as much as you claim atheist do! If not more so. That's why you split into so many groups, have so many wars and are always fighting with everyone over such petty miner differences! Mysticism is for the birds!
Levering Lewis Oct 18, 2009
Excellent point, Will.
And to all the religious people out there, you all think that Atheists can do no good. You should be thanking us, we are made up of Scientists that are helping cure diseases. We make up volunteers that help because we want to, and we will never be blinded by faith. I do not hate religious people, I just think that life would be more peaceful without it. Most people that talk to things they can't hear or see are called crazy, but that is just my opinion.
Christian Mar 29, 2010
you are the people saying we are better than you!
Christian Mar 29, 2010
*worse
Christian Mar 29, 2010
oops fail
Thomas May 02, 2010
You do realize, that despite your desire to not be generalized, you are saying that "religious people" are saying you can do no good. If that were true then I doubt atheism would have caught on because every atheist would have become a social outcast.
Jake Oct 22, 2009
Wow... you sound incredibly intelligent. You sir are the modern example of what an atheist should be not some kid saying he hates god because church is boring. But you actually have reasons.
Thank you
Christian Mar 29, 2010
he does not!
Pablo Dec 28, 2009
I know that God exists. I don't just believe that God exists, I am 100% sure that God exists. Also I know for sure where God exists. God exists only in the imagination of the believers.
Thomas May 27, 2010
Exactly. God exists in the exact same place as the proof of Evolutionary theory.
Kaly Apr 20, 2011
"...I have yet to meet an atheist that just relaxes in their world view. Every single one I have met, and for the most part the ones online actively and pompously aggrandize themselves..."
Guess you haven't met all the atheists in the world yet. Or just maybe you stick to people online and don't really get to know them one on one but in a setting where they have reason to act that way?
Random Dude Apr 22, 2011
Reading this really pisses me off. Everybody is generalizing others from stereotypes and insulting those who are different, such as saying that Christians and atheists always try arguing their point of view, and by saying Muslims are the only extremists. HONESTLY I barely see either side screaming their beliefs.
And for the extremists that I do see.....
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Faith is a belief, not based on proof - by definition. So, you have faith that god does not exist. There is no proof that God does not exist and a lack of evidence does not prove the existence or non existence of anything. Let the evidence speak for itself. Your religion, is a belief that there is no one but you, so you, therefore make yourself to be your own God. This is the original sin: Adam and Eve, wanting to be like God "knowing both good and evil" ate of the forbidden fruit. Then, they became aware that they were naked and that evil exists. However, before adam and eve ever sinned, Satan (Lucifer, his original name) wanting to become like God, rallied 1/3 of the angels to uprival against the creator. When God created the earth, Lucifer tempted man to be a god just like him. As the bible says, Satan has become the Prince of the world. This is why bad things happen. Satan rules this earth. However when Jesus comes back, justice will be done. Those who lived for themselves, only pleasing themselves will be condemned just like satan himself. However, God reserves for himself his own, those who share the love and grace that has been given to them. we are lights in a very dark world (its obviously a very dark owrkd). Jesus said, "if you want to know pure religion, take care of widows and orphans." This is the work of Jesus.
The book of romans speaks of athiesm: That the wrath of God is being poured out on man CURRENTLY - that God has made it known to you through the law in your heart (what separates us from the animals: the awareness of immorality of stealing, lying, cheating, coveting..etc) but you neither worshipped him as God nor gave thanks so God hardened your heart. The bad thing about hell is not eternal flames and nashing of teeth - it is being eternally seperated from your creator. The reference is Romans 1:18-32. Those who do not see themselves for the wretched selfish people we are, will never see God. Blessed are the poor in Spirit (those who mourn their sins) for they will see God. His grace will set you free. and the answers to your life are in this ancient book, the bible. Feel free to email me with any debates or questions. Bytheearth@yahoo.com
lincoln Nov 29, 2011
and people need to be religious to feed the poor
Sean Apr 08, 2009
"but have you forgotten the millions of religious followers that actively help the poor and injured? Good things are caused by religion, too."
If people are only helping the poor and injured due to religion, then we have a problem.
redalert Apr 08, 2009
"If people are only helping the poor and injured due to religion, then we have a problem."
Then what motivates an atheist? For starters, look at it this way, there are misled religious people who do stupid things with little or no regard for life but there are religious people too who died doing selfless service to others, even willing to offer his life for the sake of others. Religion is a broad landscape and I find it funny how atheist skew the picture to their liking.
Rob Apr 08, 2009
You don't need a god to have morals.
redalert Apr 08, 2009
Yes you do. Superseding your argument, God created us with conscience. We are created to do good things. So if you feel owed to do good things it's that because we are created that way.
Try Again. Apr 08, 2009
"Superseding your argument, God created us with conscience."
An interesting statement. But completely circumventing any semblance of an argument you seem to think you have, God created not one person with a conscience. As a matter of fact, God only created two people ever. From the good book itself, Genesis 3:22 / "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever."
What God DID give humankind was free will. With conscience, Eve wouldn't have eaten the apple from the tree; she would have already known the serpent was a manifestation of evil and was attempting to spoil the life she and Adam led. With free will, she made a conscious (not conscience) choice to take the apple over the warning of both God and Adam, leading to the aforementioned gain of a conscience and the expulsion from Eden.
You also write "We are created to do good things." The concept of free will is one of the largest cornerstones of most major religions, including Christianity; this essentially destroys your argument. People aren't created to "do" anything; the choices each person makes in life forge the consequences they face, good or bad. Stalin and Hitler exterminated 35 million people between their regimes; I find very few ways you could create any sort of "good" argument for these acts.
My point in making these statements is simply this: religion is both one of the most edifying and terrifying establishments in the history of mankind. Your approach to the discussion is simply to spout out what someone told you in Sunday school with no actual knowledge of the subject; might I suggest you actually read the Bible before you attempt to dictate Christianity to anyone?
redalert Apr 08, 2009
Well, we can all agree that conscience don't exclusively manifest itself before an act.
Much that I like to discuss bible matters to you, this is not the right place but I leave you these: Genesis 1:26 God is spirit, what is the image here referring to: I Peter 1:15-16.
Jeff Apr 09, 2009
^
Cop out.
Redalert Apr 09, 2009
"An interesting statement. But completely circumventing any semblance of an argument you seem to think you have, God created not one person with a conscience. As a matter of fact, God only created two people ever. From the good book itself, Genesis 3:22 / "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever."
What God DID give humankind was free will. With conscience, Eve wouldn't have eaten the apple from the tree; she would have already known the serpent was a manifestation of evil and was attempting to spoil the life she and Adam led. With free will, she made a conscious (not conscience) choice to take the apple over the warning of both God and Adam, leading to the aforementioned gain of a conscience and the expulsion from Eden."
Man is free to do what he wants as long as it is within the boundary of being constructive. We are free to do good but not bad. The serpent manipulated the constructive sense innate within us to fool Eve. If the serpent told her all along the truth she must not likely have eated the forbidden fruit.
Redalert Apr 09, 2009
Sorry I hit submit button prematurely. Sorry for the wrong grammar and everything else since english is not my primary language.
"An interesting statement. But completely circumventing any semblance of an argument you seem to think you have, God created not one person with a conscience. As a matter of fact, God only created two people ever. From the good book itself, Genesis 3:22 / "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever."
What God DID give humankind was free will. With conscience, Eve wouldn't have eaten the apple from the tree; she would have already known the serpent was a manifestation of evil and was attempting to spoil the life she and Adam led. With free will, she made a conscious (not conscience) choice to take the apple over the warning of both God and Adam, leading to the aforementioned gain of a conscience and the expulsion from Eden."
Man is free to do what he wants as long as it is within the boundary of being constructive. We are free to do good but not bad, we are not free to harm others. The constructive sense imprinted to all of us guide even the people and society who don't believe in God. This constructive sense is not same for everyone. It's basically the sense to do something good so people do stuff though it may be actually detrimental to others or destructive.
The serpent manipulated the constructive sense innate within us to fool Eve. If the serpent told her all along the truth she must not likely have eaten the forbidden fruit.
Diane May 14, 2009
You're using a different definition of free will than I think everyone else is. Free will, to most of us, means that a god wouldn't get directly involved in your life to force you to make this or that choice, and in that definition, of course we're free to do evil things. It doesn't make those things right, but a god wouldn't stop us. (FTR, this is all hypothetical to me, since I'm atheist.)
Thomas May 02, 2010
Free will means we can do whatever we want, we just have to deal with the consequences, both immediate and eternal.
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Diane May 14, 2009
I would argue with just one of your points: Eve may well have had a conscience, but just not think obeying him was as important as gaining the knowledge. It could that her conscience is exactly what led her to disobey--it happens all the time among humans.
Christian Mar 29, 2010
we are able to read the bible and do so. spout? many people read almost daily!
Christian Mar 29, 2010
the tree contained the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil so how would Eve know the snake was evil?
Christian Mar 29, 2010
hitler, stalin, the devil.
Thomas May 02, 2010
The Bible leads us to believe that God creates everything. Psalm 139:13 "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb." John 1:3 "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." And where do you obtain your sense of right and wrong as an atheist?
Ezio Jul 26, 2010
This yet another ignorant attack on atheists. Euthyphro's Dilemma shows that the Abrahamic god had morals as relative as any morals brought about through adapting to new knowledge and reasoning. If God made the morals then he can change was is moral and that makes the morals relative as he can change them at will, regardless of whether he does or not. If the morals are unchanging then the Abrahamic god is nothing more than a middle man and maybe even an obstruction. This means an atheist can reach good morals as well as anyone of a different view.
Kelley Brown Jun 02, 2009
Morality does not come from god. Or if it does, then he/she/it has a skewed moral code. Examples: Spanish Inquisition, The Holocaust, 9/11, Irish Bloody Sunday, etc, etc...
To get a good view of god's morality all one needs to do is consult the bible, koran, or torah.
I am a secular humanist, I volunteer at meals on wheels every Thursday here in Houston because feeding the poor and the elderly is a good thing to do. Not because my invisible space daddy told me too.
Thomas May 02, 2010
The examples you gave were human (erring) extremists. How did you arrive at that moral code? Also, without a moral code that can supersede human authority, everyone can come up with their own idea of "moral." I could have the irrational belief that because grade school kids made fun of 13 years ago, I can find them and kill them now. I was simply following the code that revenge is a dish best served cold. Everyone gets their morality from somewhere, whether you take the belief system with it is up to you.
Ezio Jul 26, 2010
You aren't completely missing the mark. You do ignore that logical absolutes exist and there is such a thing as adaptive and maladaptive behaviours.
Ezio Jul 26, 2010
I would direct you over to Euthyphro's Dilemma now. I'm astounded that such simpletons exist. A good amount of theist friends and acquaintances know better than to think that without God a person has no morals. You have some reading to do.
Lib Apr 14, 2009
I'm certainly not Christian but I went to a religeous school and so know a lot about the religeon. I help other people because I care about them. Do I need another reason? If you do then you're not really understanding Jesus' message. If you look at the teaching's of Jesus you'l see he taught people to be selfless, not just help others because it will take you to Heaven when you die. You go to Heaven if you're a good person, you don't be a good person just so you can go to Heaven.
Lib Apr 14, 2009
I'd like to point out that if it is unclear I'm telling you "Christians" you've got the idea wrong, not that people that aren't Christian have to give a toot what Jesus' teachings are. As I see it the Bible is propaganda written hundreds of years after the actual man was alive so even if he was anything like the Christian faith suggests the facts wouldn't be at all correct.
I bet all you people who call yourself Christians still think the animals went in two by two, but if you look at the actual translation they go on the arc in fives and sevens... But that just doesn't have the same ring when you try and sing about it does it? And all you homophobes... God said it isn't right for man to live with another man right? I bet you all eat shellfish. In Which the same part of Liviticus it says the previous satatement says you shouldn't do the latter. So either you're ignorant of your own faith or you are just picking and choosing which bits to believe.
There are thousands of different ways to take the messages in the bible and without studying it extensively you are simply picking and choosing what you wish.
Furthermore it contradicts itself all over the place = "thou shalt not kill" and that you should practice forgivness... but also states "an eye for an eye"... You can do anything and back it up with the bible.
Christian Mar 29, 2010
fresh off the the good book and Jesus; "i say to you it is not an eye for an eye but if a man slaps you on one cheek offer him the other" cheek as in face half.
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Thomas May 02, 2010
I do not eat shellfish, God said that two men are not allowed to LIE with each other. And yes that is true, taking biblical verses out of context, you can absolutely excuse any behavior. That is also true with, well, anything. I have a feeling that I can find an Obama quote that makes him sound like a Communist. Whether he is or isn't, I could find something to make him sound like he has any sort of belief system I want. That is why context is important. And also the Bible says that the unclean animals went on in pairs, the clean animals, those that you can sacrifice, went on in sevens.
Thomas May 27, 2010
In addition, Secular historians have actually found evidence that Jesus was a real person, that he said what he said, and that a great majority of the Bible was written shortly after the events they describe, and were written by witnesses to said events. The exceptions would be the Pentateuch, which was dictated to Moses by God, and Luke, which was written by a doctor, he decided that he wanted a comprehensive account of Jesus' actions, so he interviewed witnesses, found evidence, and formed a report, which is now the Gospel of Luke.
talkingdeadguysdontexist Apr 08, 2009
I look forward to the progression of the human race and human mind and science is to thank for that. When a good portion of the world has their mind enslaved to a ridiculous notion of God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Mary, Peter (polytheistic now isn't it?), those people are holding the human race behind. I'm really happy how life religion has improved YOUR life and the ones around you. Regardless, your thinking is one thousand years too late and therefore are useless in these times.
Alex Apr 08, 2009
That polytheism is called Catholicism. Not christianity.
And by virtue of me and thousands of christian missionaries, religion has enriched more than just MY life.
Who besides missionaries by the way go and help the remote peoples of the world? I would say by far those helping African villages are Christian missionaries. (personal scales mind you, Unicef/aids relief is different)
Elizabeth Apr 08, 2009
Why is Unicef and Aids relief different? From your tone, it sounds like you believe the work of the individuals in these organizations is somehow less than the work of those in missionary groups because it's not 'personal'. That seems ignorant and obtuse. For example, do you think that a nurse with Doctors Without Borders, who provides health care to the sick and injured in third world countries, does not take her work 'personally'?
Anyone who chooses or commits themselves to do this kind of work takes it personally. You don't have to be religious to want to help others and make the world a better place.
Zorg Smith Apr 08, 2009
The work is different because the UN workers are not expecting to go to heaven. They see this work as important to help their fellow man and not for some misguided reward in the after life like the missionaries.
redalert Apr 08, 2009
"The work is different because the UN workers are not expecting to go to heaven. They see this work as important to help their fellow man and not for some misguided reward in the after life like the missionaries."
Duh.. religious people see charity and relief works as important to help their fellow man. You talk as if all religious people as self serving when in fact religious people with religious beliefs are more willing to perform selfless deeds.
Try Again. Apr 08, 2009
"Duh.. religious people see charity and relief works as important to help their fellow man. You talk as if all religious people as self serving when in fact religious people with religious beliefs are more willing to perform selfless deeds."
You are generalizing again, and there is absolutely no proof you can show that religious people are more willing to do anything than a non religious person. Police officers and fire fighters put their lives on the line daily; this doesn't espouse some religious overtone. They might be religious; they aren't more courageous because of that fact, they are relevant because they know that what they do might have serious consequences for them, yet they do it anyway.
Religions may give you a belief structure, but they don't instantly make you less of a d-bag. The Avignon papacy proves this; the French line of kings in the late 14th century decided they could buy their way into heaven and created a pope in their own country they controlled; dividing the church in a massive plot to accumulate wealth and subjugate neighboring states with their new found "divine authority."
You can't look at the world with such a black and white set of blinders on; human beings aren't black and white and neither are religions. Times change, and with them so do religious doctrines.
That's right, religions do get things wrong. The big shocker is that people seem to forget that religions are created by... *gasp* humans! And humans, being their lovable, fallible selves, do occasionally screw things up. The proof in the pudding is if you, like they have in the past, open your mind to realize that having a belief structure doesn't necessarily make you right or wrong; it just gives you a compass through which to respond to other people's beliefs and ultimately should allow you to codify your beliefs into something more concrete.
I tried Again Apr 09, 2009
"You can't look at the world with such a black and white set of blinders on; human beings aren't black and white and neither are religions."
Sorry dude, but human beings actually ARE black and white. Some of them, at least.
Random Jun 02, 2009
Ok, I just have to throw this in here....you can't really consider humans black or white...just different shades of brown and tan....a truly white person is an albino and even then you can't really call them white....and i have yet to see a truly black human..just a really really really dark brown one.
The world exists with all differnt shades, emotions and actions and words are all different shades. EVERYTHING has an exception to the rule, everyone picks and chooses what to believe no matter what religion they're in. Everyone's oh-so-important views and beliefs can be challenged and altered when the need calls for it. A strict pro-lifer will consider abortion for her 12 year old daughter who was a vitcim of family rape if the pregnancy poses a life threat to one or both of the children. A devote preacher of 50 years may come to accept the evolutionary theory if someone takes the time to teach him and show him that this is not about denying the existance of god, but rather trying to understand how this all happened, why things are the way they are without using the fall back "because god wanted it that way" b.s. A family who is against the death penalty may scream for one when a loved one is brutally murdered...the list goes on and on. Nothing is black and white. Nothing is that simple. Remember, if god is omnipotent then he made lucifer with the full knowledge and intent of him becoming the devil. he created adam and eve and the tree of knowledge knowing that she would eat from it and summarily be cast aside. if god is omnipotent than there is no such thing as free will. as long as someone knows what you're going to do, when you do it and how you're going to do it than free will is a lie. just like the cake. ^_^
Thomas May 27, 2010
Is "everything has an exception" how you prove evolution? Because I don't think everything has an exception. God is everlasting. He is always present, no exceptions.
Thomas May 27, 2010
Also, God creates because he is omnipotent, he knows the results because he is omniscient, and he is everlasting because he is omnitemporal.
Ezio Jul 26, 2010
There are things that don't actually change. The law of identity is transcendent and a triangle on a two dimensional plane always have three sides. However you have yet to prove there is a god. If this god existed and was omniscient and omnipotent then it is subject to the problem of evil and the omnipotence paradox. You have some research to do.
Christian Mar 29, 2010
it was all about power d-bag. look at history and you will see countless people in power fighting each other for even more power. king henry (i don't remember which it was a later one) made a brand new church called the anglican church so he could get a new wife and get rid of the old one.
Thomas May 27, 2010
That would be Henry the 8th founding the Anglican Church, which is pretty much the Catholic Church with a different human head.
Alex Apr 08, 2009
To Elizabeth too, that was poorly worded on my part. That is very much a selfless act by those people and I applaud them for it. But you are extremely hardpressed to find individuals that aren't Christian who raise money for themselves to go with a very small group of people to live in rural/poor places for years at a time completely changing life in a small community for the better. THAT is very different thing than a guy that hands out a bag of rice from a truck every few weeks.
And missionaries don't do it just for the reward, it comes from the love of their fellow man. Which granted is the same reason others that aren't Christian do it. To do a good work for the reward is hypocritical and wrong for ANY person regardless of faith or lack thereof.
Stupid Idea Apr 11, 2009
"And missionaries don't do it just for the reward, it comes from the love of their fellow man. Which granted is the same reason others that aren't Christian do it. To do a good work for the reward is hypocritical and wrong for ANY person regardless of faith or lack thereof."
So if people (Christians and athiets alike) do good deeds just because they want to help others, then we can say that it has nothing to do with religion, right?
Agreed. The desire to do good comes from within, not from any particular relgions beliefs.
Thomas May 27, 2010
A desire to do "good," comes from your system of morals. Your morals come from somewhere, whether they be developed from experience or provided by divine providence, they come from outside you. In many cases, what one considers "good" is shaped by their morals. If you were raised in America, your morals may be, in some ways, similar to Christians and Jews because you were raised in a, whether you like it or not, Judeo-Christian culture.
Lyn Aug 28, 2009
No, christian missionaries don't just do it to "help people", They do it to shove their own world view down the throats of these poor people and convert them. The food and education is totally secondary to the dogma.
Christian Mar 29, 2010
shove?! we aren't shoving anything! how are we shoving?
Thomas May 27, 2010
There many cases of missionary groups helping groups of people and not even mentioning God until they are asked why they were helping. Believe it or not, a group of non-military foreigners helping a group of strangers for no apparent self-benefit, is a curious thing.
Orange Juce Jones Dec 09, 2009
"The work is different because the UN workers are not expecting to go to heaven. They see this work as important to help their fellow man and not for some misguided reward in the after life like the missionaries."
I don't know if you are an Atheist or not I just disagree with the comment you made. I am not a missionary but the way I see and understand it is that they do not do this work for the reward of going to heaven but rather to help people who need it. There is no ulterior motive of pushing their religion down other people's throats or at least I hope not. You are correct in a way because there are some religious people out there who do good deeds just because they think that it will get them into heaven. These people will not go to heaven unless they realize the error of their thinking and follow their faith correctly. I think the purpose of most of the missionary work is to:
A. Take care of the fellow man in need.
B. Use the opportunity to share your beliefs with your fellow man.(Not force it upon them. Share only with those who wish to be shared with.)
This is the way that I view it. You may argue that point B is exactly what you're saying in your first comment but I guess it's all on how you interpret it. If I met you in the street and I decided I wanted to help you because you looked down on your luck, I would do so without thought of a reward. If I chose to spend time with you daily to help you and I noticed after a while that you didn't really seem to have a faith or religion I would ask you to share in mine. If you said no then I would not stop helping you and I would not try to force my religion on you. I would however ask why and ask that you at least give me a chance to explain to you my viewpoint. After that I would leave it alone. The Bible tells us that we should go out and fellowship with our brethren and spread the word of God. This to me means exactly what I just described with my scenario. I help people because I feel like it not because I think it will get me into heaven. I find that when talking on the subject of religion one cannot generalize every person of a particular religion or belief because it always leaves room for an argument. I would like to continue this conversation away from this site if you are interested.
Orange Juce Jones Dec 09, 2009
"The work is different because the UN workers are not expecting to go to heaven. They see this work as important to help their fellow man and not for some misguided reward in the after life like the missionaries."
I don't know if you are an Atheist or not I just disagree with the comment you made. I am not a missionary but the way I see and understand it is that they do not do this work for the reward of going to heaven but rather to help people who need it. There is no ulterior motive of pushing their religion down other people's throats or at least I hope not. You are correct in a way because there are some religious people out there who do good deeds just because they think that it will get them into heaven. These people will not go to heaven unless they realize the error of their thinking and follow their faith correctly. I think the purpose of most of the missionary work is to:
A. Take care of the fellow man in need.
B. Use the opportunity to share your beliefs with your fellow man.(Not force it upon them. Share only with those who wish to be shared with.)
This is the way that I view it. You may argue that point B is exactly what you're saying in your first comment but I guess it's all on how you interpret it. If I met you in the street and I decided I wanted to help you because you looked down on your luck, I would do so without thought of a reward. If I chose to spend time with you daily to help you and I noticed after a while that you didn't really seem to have a faith or religion I would ask you to share in mine. If you said no then I would not stop helping you and I would not try to force my religion on you. I would however ask why and ask that you at least give me a chance to explain to you my viewpoint. After that I would leave it alone. The Bible tells us that we should go out and fellowship with our brethren and spread the word of God. This to me means exactly what I just described with my scenario. I help people because I feel like it not because I think it will get me into heaven. I find that when talking on the subject of religion one cannot generalize every person of a particular religion or belief because it always leaves room for an argument. I would like to continue this conversation away from this site if you are interested.
Beth Apr 09, 2009
Alex,I think your comment is biased and thoroughly un-researched.
I am going to Africa personally to volunteer and not to force desperate people into lip-service to a religion in order to receive the basic resources for survival missionaries dangle in front of their face.
Which unfortunately, I have seen time and time again both in the states and throughout the world where missionaries come to provide "aid".
Missionary "aid" is deceptive and it does nothing to promote a sustainable living situation.
When you go back to your comfortable bed and tally up your points in heaven for your "good deeds" people are still living in developing parts of the world lacking and the one-time aid missionaries provided in exchange for submission to their ideologies does nothing to change that in the long run. It simply provides you with more to feel self righteous about.
Redalert Apr 09, 2009
You still REFUSE getting her point. There are people who do charity for reward or other ulterior motive but there are also people who do it for the love of fellowman. There are people who don't do bad things out of fear and there are people who don't do bad things because of high morals. To claim atheist exclusively do the latter and generalizing religious people to be hypocrites doing things with ulterior motives and motivated by fear don't quite sound right.
You can claim to develop sense of morality from school and parents the same as theist though they're complimented by religion which has love at the paramount, 1 Corinthians 13: 1-13
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
matt dama Apr 25, 2009
so what do christians believe in then if they do not believe in the holy ghost and the virgin mary?
Diane May 14, 2009
They believe those beings exist, they just don't worship them. Some Christians believe that Catholics, OTOH, DO worship them, in the same way they'd worship a god (when really, what Catholics do is ask them to intercede with god on their behalf).
Thomas May 27, 2010
Actually, the majority of the recognized Christian church believes in the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Ghost) as one God, and they acknowledge that Mary existed, but, as you said, only the Catholic Church prays to Mary.
Aaron Smyth Dec 07, 2009
Christianity has forced ignorant and poor people to become Christians, often by the sword. The pope said that little holes existed in condoms to allow the passage of HIV.
Religion is poison...it is very a force for good. Some good people have been religious, but this proves nothing. Being "good" to get brownie points before the cosmic tribunal seems FAR less meaningful than being kind to people for no reason except they are fellow creatures of evolution.
Alex, you are an idiot.
Christian Mar 29, 2010
catholics!
Christian Mar 29, 2010
WHEN? you have 0 proof! by the SWORD!?!
Thomas May 02, 2010
First, the Trinity can be compared to humans. There is your physical presence, your cognitive abilities, and you feelings. Body (Jesus), Mind (God the Father), Spirit (Holy Spirit). Secondly, I can tell that science is really advancing mankind. I mean GTA is totally a sign of forward motion, and there was a study done that proved that men like hot women. Phew, however does science do it. Finding all of the new viruses, and missile designs, and ways to enjoy sex with machines instead of other humans, genius! Science is obviously what is keeping us on top of the heap. Of course we have to take the good with the bad, the cures, the life support, medical techniques, prosthesis, etc. Science has indeed done a lot to move humanity forward, but don't you dare say that those were all invented by atheists. There are Christian nurses and doctors who practice all of these skills, and have you thought about what could be done with the money spent on the Large Hadron Supercollider? The giant track built, by the world half in France and half in Switzerland, for the sole purpose of seeing whether they can prove the big bang theory or kill us all with tiny blackholes in the attempt. The cost, of just building it, was around 6 Billion Dollars? Do you see religious people blowing that much money on a tower so that we can reach Heaven? Or blowing it all on a really nice Baptist potluck, where people can meet and greet and talk about there troubles with their fellow Christians, that not only attend the church but they live in the area?
Scott Klarr May 03, 2010
>> There is your physical presence, your cognitive abilities, and you feelings. Body (Jesus), Mind (God the Father), Spirit (Holy Spirit).
The only problem is that our mind is part of our body, and there is no evidence to even suggest we have a "spirit" or soul.
>> There are Christian nurses and doctors who practice all of these skills, and have you thought about what could be done with the money spent on the Large Hadron Supercollider?... Do you see religious people blowing that much money on a tower so that we can reach Heaven?
You're joking right? There are churches built on pretty much every fucking street corner in America. I can drive 10 blocks and see 15 churches. Do you have ANY idea how much money churches gather (TAX FREE TOO!) and waste on building shit that does nothing for humanity? Giant crosses, statues, new buildings, etc. Do you have any idea how much money has been poured into the Vatican?
You seem to have a very misguided understanding of what science is for and what affect it has on the progression of society. You think the LHC is "just to prove the big bang theory"? No, it is going to help uncover some unknown details about the fundamentals of physics that will help the advancement of all sorts of technologies, namely new kinds of computers that will have dramatic impact in many fields including medical.
You apparently think that any money spent researching is wasted, but do you ever stop to realise how much research was required to build the foundations of the life you enjoy every day? Do you have ANY idea how much scientific knowledge has been hammered out slowly and at great expensive so that you can sit down at a computer and broadcast your ignorance all across the world with a click of the button? When you get in your car and drive to the hospital to get an injury fixed, you are relying on hundreds of years of research that, had you been there along the way when the first research was going on, you'd probably complain about "how much a waste of money all this pointless stuff is."
Thomas May 27, 2010
First of all, research is very important, when you are researching productive, beneficial things, like say stem-cells. Second, The LHC has been built for the following reasons,
1) To discover what mass is and how mass came from particle that previously were mass-less
2) To figure out what the majority of the universe is made of
3) To discover why antimatter is no longer in existence
4) To discover what the universe was like seconds after the Big Bang
5) To discover if there are other dimensions
This all came from the European Organization for Nuclear Research at, http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/lhc/WhyLHC-en.html
You may call me ignorant if you wish, for the question I am about to ask.
"....it is going to help uncover some unknown details about the fundamentals of physics that will help the advancement of all sorts of technologies, namely new kinds of computers that will have dramatic impact in many fields including medical."
How? I might be an idiot for not being able to see where this new computer and medical technology comes from, but I am eager to learn, so could you explain it to me?
P.S. I stop and wonder every day about all of the lives, resources, and time that were invested to make my current life what it is. I try to think of ways not to squander the life I have been given, or take for granted the luxuries given to me. And for someone that is so retrospective, you sure have a funny way of respecting the points of view that got us here. Do you ever wonder how many people died for their beliefs, fictitious or real, creating this country? No matter what science can put up, and I am not saying that science is evil, people will always be willing to die for what they truly believe in.
P.P.S. If you are going to chew me out, could you use correct grammar and less profanity in your tirades.
Kevin Jun 13, 2011
You defended the truth well.
man dude bro Apr 08, 2009
atheism is not a religion. nor a faith. nor a belief. it is the absence of those things.
what you are doing would be like calling "nothing" something, merely cause the word "n-o-t-h-i-n-g" has value because it defines "something".
if religion did not exist, the the word "atheism" would be gone. not the idea at the core.
and the life style of atheists has nothing to do with a certain style, but just how life works without religion.
and not all atheists hate all religious people. its just when peoples faith requires or asks them to have strong devotion to it, people do not know how far to take its rules and beliefs. and that can get ugly.
so in general, atheists might see religious people as a potential harm.
im an agnostic/existentialist/a large mess of ideas....what eva is out there, is way too big for me to see.
my religion is science.
my creed is Faith in Open-mindedness.
my motivation is my love of curiosity.
and my life is what i make it.
rock on
Naumadd Apr 08, 2009
Point in fact, "religion" causes nothing - people do. It's simplicity itself - those who wish to "do good" will, those who do not - won't. Whether strong passions or weak or non-existent passions - action is is either rational or irrational. Truly rational thought tends to be the most compassionate. Irrational thought merely pretends.
Use whatever label you wish. The question is always - are you rational and compassionate, or mere pretender? The blood in your eyes and the blood on your hands is usually a good indicator of your answer.
Natty Apr 09, 2009
That last point is just not true. The philosophy that evidence is the best way to discover the truth persists with or without religion.
S reply Apr 11, 2009
"but have you forgotten the millions of religious followers that actively help the poor and injured? Good things are caused by religion, too."
It's sad that you use religion as the reason for helping others more unfortunate in the world, instead of just doing it because you have the means and because you want to help.
"Without religion to criticize you'd have nothing. Your doctrine exists only because of religions."
Ummm...wow...really? Well, clearly your doctrine exists only because of stupidity.
Redalert Apr 11, 2009
"It's sad that you use religion as the reason for helping others more unfortunate in the world, instead of just doing it because you have the means and because you want to help."
Well, the idea that people who grow up in religious environment nurtured with love and actually helping others with utmost sincerity and compassion must sound alien to you.
The desire to do good by man is an affirmation of my religious beliefs just to let you know. God created us to be constructive being ideally (Ephesians 4:23-24, Ecclesiastes 7:29).
S reply Apr 12, 2009
"Well, the idea that people who grow up in religious environment nurtured with love and actually helping others with utmost sincerity and compassion must sound alien to you."
Nope. Not alien to me at all. I grew up in a religious environment and was actually always helped by other religious people because, unfortunately, we didn't have the means. However, some of those who helped us were not religious at all. And, let me explain this to you in the clearest way possible: I do not believe in a higher power and I do not believe in an after life; therefore, I am expecting no sort of reward when I die, or during my time on earth, but I still continue to help others. Just so you know, you don't have to grow up in a "religious environment" to be "nurtured and love[d]"-my nephew is extremely loved by an atheist mom, uncles, and aunt every single day of his life and the result is an incredibly kind-hearted, funny, witty, and exceptionally intelligent (partly because he's not wasting his time with religion) eleven-year-old boy.
P.S. Andrea Yates' five children were very nurtured and loved in their religious home. So religious, she put God before all five of them.
Redalert Apr 12, 2009
"Nope. Not alien to me at all. I grew up in a religious environment and was actually always helped by other religious people because, unfortunately, we didn't have the means."
Do you happen to have any scientific means able to read the heart of those religious people that you seemed inclined to construe their actions as reward motivated and not out of sincere compassion and love?
"However, some of those who helped us were not religious at all. And, let me explain this to you in the clearest way possible: I do not believe in a higher power and I do not believe in an after life; therefore, I am expecting no sort of reward when I die, or during my time on earth, but I still continue to help others. Just so you know, you don't have to grow up in a "religious environment" to be "nurtured and love[d]"-my nephew is extremely loved by an atheist mom, uncles, and aunt every single day of his life and the result is an incredibly kind-hearted, funny, witty, and exceptionally intelligent (partly because he's not wasting his time with religion) eleven-year-old boy.Nope. Not alien to me at all. I grew up in a religious environment and was actually always helped by other religious people because, unfortunately, we didn't have the means. However, some of those who helped us were not religious at all. And, let me explain this to you in the clearest way possible: I do not believe in a higher power and I do not believe in an after life; therefore, I am expecting no sort of reward when I die, or during my time on earth, but I still continue to help others. Just so you know, you don't have to grow up in a "religious environment" to be "nurtured and love[d]"-my nephew is extremely loved by an atheist mom, uncles, and aunt every single day of his life and the result is an incredibly kind-hearted, funny, witty, and exceptionally intelligent (partly because he's not wasting his time with religion) eleven-year-old boy."
I wish you can satisfy his curiosity when your nephew asked where we all came from, justifying the mathematical probability that all what we see living now first came from non living.
"P.S. Andrea Yates' five children were very nurtured and loved in their religious home. So religious, she put God before all five of them."
Andrea Yates is a disturbed woman and what she did is not because of her belief in God, not because she grew up in religious environment but because she is mentally disturbed. Nobody here I think can claim religion taught her to kill innocent children.
S reply Apr 12, 2009
"Do you happen to have any scientific means able to read the heart of those religious people that you seemed inclined to construe their actions as reward motivated and not out of sincere compassion and love?"
And do you have any religious means to explain why the non-religious do good for others? Listen, I'm not saying that all religious people help others because of religion, but the first comment that I replied to was stating just that. I'm just saying that people shouldn't need religion as the reason for helping and giving to the world. And by the way, it is psychologically proven that people help others for a selfish internal satisfaction- which in turn is rewarding for both sides.
"I wish you can satisfy his curiosity when your nephew asked where we all came from, justifying the mathematical probability that all what we see living now first came from non living."
My nephew knows all versions of creation and scientific explanations for life (probably better than most people do); he simply chose the one that made the most sense, the one that continues to expand, explore, and make breakthroughs. He stopped believing in Santa Claus a few years back (to partly relate back to this page).
P.S. The apple doesn't far from the tree.
Jepthah sacrifices his only daughter because he gave his "word to God," and Abraham almost sacrifices his son to prove his dedication to God, and not to mention Jesus who sacrifices himself. But since those are in the Bible, of course they're not disturbing.
Redalert Apr 12, 2009
"P.S. The apple doesn't far from the tree.
Jepthah sacrifices his only daughter because he gave his "word to God," and Abraham almost sacrifices his son to prove his dedication to God, and not to mention Jesus who sacrifices himself. But since those are in the Bible, of course they're not disturbing."
So where it is specifically and directly that bible command people to sacrifice their children or are you just implying, making that up like disturbed Andrea Yates did? Not because people don't understand the bible means they must blame it for everything people did as result of misinterpretation.
S reply Apr 12, 2009
I'm not blaming the bible so much as religion as a whole, but she killed her children because she believed that that's what god wanted since the life she was leading would send her children to hell.
But since you brought it up, will you do me the favor of properly interpreting these stories for me and explaining to me why in all of them (3 of many more) none of those people were considered mentally disfunctional but Yates was (also only one of many)?
Redalert Apr 13, 2009
"I'm not blaming the bible so much as religion as a whole, but she killed her children because she believed that that's what god wanted since the life she was leading would send her children to hell."
I wonder why you keep entertaining Yates' justifying her delusion. Will you be that accommodating if there happened (knock on wood) to be a deranged atheist killing the deformed and ugly for the absurd reason that they pollute the gene pool?
"But since you brought it up, will you do me the favor of properly interpreting these stories for me and explaining to me why in all of them (3 of many more) none of those people were considered mentally disfunctional but Yates was (also only one of many)?"
Jeptha hadn't received any command from God to do so. Abraham was merely tested from his faith. 3. The idea of a person offering himself for the sake of others is not a novel idea even to the atheist.
S reply Apr 13, 2009
Wow. Well you can't even interpret what I say properly, how can I expect you to interpret the bible? Thanks for the discussion though!
Christian Mar 29, 2010
he interpreted you just fine
Christian Mar 29, 2010
Abraham was being tested! it clearly says so! you are completely twisting facts to suit you!
Orange Juce Jones Dec 09, 2009
She put God before them because that is what she was supposed to do. Some people abuse this though. Resulting in the neglect of their families and loved ones. No one is supposed to come before God but that does not mean use God as an excuse to be absent when your family needs you or give your children an ultimatum(ex. "You can't play in your football game because you have to go to church.", "Sorry I can't see your play because I'm going to church". I really dislike people who use God as a cop out. Missing one service won't send you to hell. If that happened to you I'm sorry but that is not a reason that you should give up on God. The Bible is merely a guide for you to base your life upon and Church is for education and fellowship. There is more I wanna say but I'd rather continue this with you in a different forum if you wish to.
Orange Juce Jones Dec 09, 2009
I do not know who Andrea Yates is but I just want to say excuse the reference to her in my previous post.
heather Apr 13, 2009
I do not believe in God but i do know that we must respect other religions, even as we respect our own. Mere tolerance thereof is not enough. But religion in itself is a MAJOR cause of conflicts and death all over the world. Yes, Religion does help a lot of people who cannot help themselves, but you still have no point to argue.
Sybil Smith Apr 16, 2009
You wrote, "we must respect other religions" That is what we are taught, but are you sure about that?
Here are some of my thoughts about it.
"People" deserve to be treated with respect and dignity, as an inborn right. That is agreed on, but If "respect" is automatically granted to ALL ideas, beliefs[ religions], opinions , then "respect" has NO meaning whatsoever .
Not all opinions, beliefs[religions], ideas deserve equal respect.
Because all ideas, beliefs, opinions, do not have equal merit, some are right, provable,[with universal criteria], some are wrong, with an absence of proof. [Not all evidence is equal either]
We can respect differing opinions, when they are backed up with reasoned arguments.
We can withhold respect from those opinions, ideas, beliefs
[ religions] which have no reasoned supporting arguments.
And - Divisive ideas, beliefs[religions] and opinions which prevent people from finding common ground, which prevent people from working together for the common good - do not deserve "respect".
We can "respect" the believer but we do not have to "respect" the religion. We do not have to defer to opinions, religions which openly "disrespect" people who disagree with them.
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you say respect other religions but you then insult us?
Mitzu Sep 16, 2009
Ok! How about all you God-fearing men do this for us atheists. You look at all of the motivational posters, and you come up with an actual credible rebuttal for each of them. For example,you know that quote by that old dead Greek guy named Epicurus? Give us an intelligent argument, and most of these posters have just lost total value.
Oh, and atheist don need no stinking Religion!
Our doctrine is science, math, logic, and philosophy. In fact, without religion, everyone would be an atheist. Sorry if that's too true.
The truth is, true atheists don't categorize all believers as warmongers and insane-o kill-brains. We don't hate, we don't discriminate, we prefer to push all beliefs and emotions to the side,and judge whether or not an idea is logical.
For example, creationism v evolution.
We atheists prefer evolution, for a few reasons:
1. F-O-S-S-I-L-S!!!!
2. Matter cannot be created or destroyed. Therefore, just cause something as old as time itself whispers some demanding requests at VOID, DOES NOT mean that that law is broken.
We dislike Christianity (not necessarily Christians) because it wants its followers to turn their brains off, and trust in a potentially non-existent being to do things that would be better solved by being logically proactive.
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TheScientist Oct 08, 2009
once again-- fellow atheist here.
i dont believe in god much as the next guy but that doesn't mean we have to be ignorant about it. there are several fundemental flaws in some of the stuff you are saying:
" In fact, without religion, everyone would be an atheist. Sorry if that's too true."
without religion the term atheist would have no meaning. i think that douglass adams described it best with his story about the sky over the planet Krikkit. The sky (religion/atheism/where did we come from?) was there, yes, but it had no imact on the daily lives of the planets inhabitants and therefor had no significant meaning.
"We don't hate, we don't discriminate, we prefer to push all beliefs and emotions to the side,and judge whether or not an idea is logical."
and yet you are hating on religion with this post. you are talking down to them as if they haven't the mental capacity to for intelligent thought. Lots of good, scientific and philisophical advancement has com from religion. When Descartes famously said "Cogito ergo sum" he started off trying to prove the existance of god. many of the researchers at the LHC are looking for the "God" particle. being religious doesn't presuppose ignorance.
"Matter cannot be created or destroyed. Therefore, just cause something as old as time itself whispers some demanding requests at VOID, DOES NOT mean that that law is broken."
i'm not actually sure what you're trying to get at here, because your "proof" switches ideals half-way thought. in any event the statistical probability that all the matter in the universe collapsed to roughly the size of a house and then exploded is neglidgibly different from the probability that a hyper-intelligent being suddenly happened and then shapped the universe.
reigion says that from nothing came god. atheists say from nothing came everything. its the same philosophy with different words.
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both sides have some great arguments from great posters as well as some not so great aruments from not so great posters.
Peace
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We can argue religion, faith, belief, and a number of other things until we all are dead and gone. But what are we accomplishing? Just because someone lives a lifestyle you disagree with doesn't mean you have to criticize them for it. Our lives are difined by 1)where we were born, 2)who our parents/siblings/friends were, and 3)the choices we make in our lives. Example:(1)A kid you grows up in rual America, works on a farm all their life, has friends and family with pickup trucks, and packs up everything and moves to a city and drives a compact fuel efficient car. (2)A kid born into an atheist family, taught and raised by the belief in evolution, turns to creationism and christianity after meeting new friends at his workplace. In conclusion, we can argue concepts all we want; we can say your right, your wrong. But how do we ourselves "KNOW" what is right and what is wrong. I can argue the subject all day long, however, im not going to
Henry Dec 30, 2009
Our "doctrine" is simply the absence of religion. The only reason anyone notices it is because there are still religious people. I'd very much like to have nothing, because that would mean nobody would be out there trying to convince me I'm worse off because of it.
Harry Rose Feb 25, 2010
Hi Alex.
If you were terminally ill would you not want to know? The truth is always better even if Christianity can be charitable. I give to many charities and live by a decent morale code. I do not need a god to tell me this, I need the knowledge that many people are suffering while I am not. This is why I want to help.
Jon Apr 22, 2010
Uh, yea. there's christians that do good things. But those movements come with preaching, recruiting, and later taking.
it's not out of selflessness.
mark Aug 15, 2010
But do you think that those religious people only help other for fear of punishment or getting a reward? Or could it be because they are just good people wanting to do good things for others.
Tara Cifer Mar 30, 2011
ummmmm, excuse me, i’m sorry, but i’m atheist and i have one thing to say to you.
THIS IS A NOT A DEBATE, ITS A SITE WITH PICTURES. If you want to stage your insult’s to our beliefs (or in this case, things we don’t believe in such as God) take your party elsewhere. I’m sick and tired of hearing zealots like you say that we just try to point out all of the flaws in religion and act like we know everything. Honestly, don’t see why you have to rant about atheists treating believers as inferiors.
Two Hints
-Its people like you that make that stereotype
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If tomorrow we find evidence that proves that god does not exist,do you really think everyone is going to commit murder and rape? no everything would be the same, except life will be more clear for those who have been enlightened
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Do some research on morals and behavior (the murder/rape/hate-laden bible does not count as a source of moral guidance). Our morals and behavior are not something divine or else no human would ever murder. Moral is a phenomenon that evolved alongside social advances that allows animals to work together to create a synergy thus making each individual's life span gain the advantage over surviving alone. The mere fact that there are good atheists and not a "worldwide atheist suicide party" proves that morals do not come from having invisible friends. IF you are truly interested in learning the facts (I doubt it), you can start with studying biopsychology and the game theory.
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Give me one bit of evidence that shows that the Christian god is any more real than Thor. Then, if there is some way to prove that the god is in fact the Christian God, then how do you decide which denomination of worship is right? Many denominations believe that other denominations are going to Hell. Let me also ask you this, how many holy texts did you fully read before you claimed that Christianity was right?
You living and breathing is a proof that God exists. If you hate the idea then convince your best atheist scientist to create even a simple living organism from basic building blocks of life. I wonder if millions of years starting from freak chance and primitive intelligence made us what we are today through evolution, why can't these people with intelligence figure out how to build one themselves.
"I'm a good person because Its the right thing to do, not because I'm afraid of eternal punishment. Someone who is good ONLY because of fear is not a good person no matter what kind of act they put on."
Duh, Religious people must be good person because they also think it's their purpose and nature. What do you think some atheist different when they seem to be in far worse situation requiring them to observe norms ONLY if others are not looking since they don't believe in divine beings monitoring their every actions.
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No, me living and breathing is a proof that my father had sex with my mother during her menstrual cycle and I was the fastest swimmer. C'mon now, do we have to really have an argument that humans beget other humans in this day in age? Even by returning to the "God created man" argument, God would have only created two people: they then would have had children that intermarried, and we would all be like the Hapsburgs in the late 19th century: inbred, sterile defect ridden people. The fact that nearly every human being on Earth has a unique genetic code speaks volumes into what I think of the theory of there being two universal parents to the ENTIRE human race.
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What if you're religion is modern Satanism, or a religion that believes that by inflicting pain upon others you become closer to your god? Religions don't make people good, for the last time. Religions are a belief structure. People decide whether they are "good" or "evil" based on the decisions they make; there have been plenty of religious people that have committed horrible atrocities, and plenty of atheists that would be considered "saints" if they had simply prescribed to a religious model.
Stop spouting off the crap you learned in your confirmation class as dogma, and start actually having an original thought on the subject. Once you do, you might care a little less about people just agreeing with you and more about why other people don't prescribe to your beliefs in the first place.
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Let's go back to the basics since you derailed my point. Scientist can't create life even with all the materials are here, the basic building blocks of life/organic compounds are abundantly available. If they can't do it with their advance intelligence what's the odds a non living accidentally turning to a living organism?
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I'm sorry - What are you trying to say? That just because we do not have the scientific means to create life, means that there is a god? Your argument is flawed, jut because we don't have the technology to create organisms, does not mean that it cannot happen. Someone will invent the technology one day, keep an eye to the newspaper.
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"I'm sorry - What are you trying to say? That just because we do not have the scientific means to create life, means that there is a god? Your argument is flawed, jut because we don't have the technology to create organisms, does not mean that it cannot happen. Someone will invent the technology one day, keep an eye to the newspaper."
Sure, freak and astronomical probability and non conscious, non thinking scrap materials had just beaten modern scientists by million of years, yeah, sounds logical to me.
Have you bothered looking in your backyard and see how many of those non living things suddenly turned to living things or it's just a thing from a million of years ago?
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Have you ever heard of Cloning? or genetic construction? artificial organs? how about the Humans natural carnal instinct to "reproduce" im fairly sure when a man has intercourse with a woman he technically "scientifically" in his own way makes another human being? why don't you study a little bit before making uneducated remarks.
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cloning copies the other gene structure
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Satanists are misguided people. Some of them in the first place because they must be there yearning for spiritual fulfillment (one facet of our innate constructive sense as man, Carl Jung even supported the spiritual mystical yearning of man.). Christians define what they do as bad while Satanists define themselves to be right. Basically both are fulfilling their yearning "to do good".
Stop spouting off the crap you learned in your confirmation class as dogma, and start actually having an original thought on the subject. Once you do, you might care a little less about people just agreeing with you and more about why other people don't prescribe to your beliefs in the first place."
Well you are referring to religious bigots not me, I can't deny there are some of them but I sense not love but more rather prejudice here from some atheists toward us theist so go enlighten them first how to properly deal with us.
Redalert Apr 09, 2009
...Some of them are there doing Satanist stuff because they must be yearning for spiritual fulfillment in the first place (one facet of our innate constructive sense as man, Carl Jung even supported the spiritual mystical yearning of man.)...
Christian Mar 29, 2010
atheists are insulting us not the other way around.
Patrick M Apr 08, 2009
Am I the only one who is extremely conconcerned that the only thing that keeps this person from killing, raping, and stealing his way through life is religion?
I think instead of trying to explain this person the fallacies of his statment, we should allow him to live on in ignorance so that people do not end up dead, raped, and stolen from because of we who convinced him of the illogical nature of his religion.
Jeffersonite Dec 01, 2008
"Scott K", You sir, may think I am the stupid and ignorant one. It does not surprise me in the least. Go ahead and laugh to your hearts content and think of yourself as the enlightened sensible one. I know precisely what theist means. I separated the two in order to stress the A. As you may know, prefacing with the letter a means without, lacking, against. Learning the facts has absolutely nothing to do theories of any kind, especially not the biopsychological or game kind. No one , except you, said anything about eyes at a simpler state. Each creature has the eyes, or lack of them, that God gave them to fulfill the station said creature was created for. The Holy Bible speaks to us of all manner of good and bad as it must to teach us how to live and how not to. That you once called yourself a Christian, (thanks for properly capitalizing it), doesn't make you one. The FACTS are,in spite of whatever you were taught, a person must be born again of the spirit and have an intimate personal relationship with the Christ, Lord Jesus, to be a Christian. It means caring nothing for this world. It means caring only for the Kingdom of God and taking the message of His grace and love to the lost, like you. I will pray that somewhere, sometime before it is too late, someone will lead you to the Lord. You will be welcomed into His Kingdom and all the host of heaven will rejoice when you surrender you life to the One that paid the price for your sin. Without a life of sin, we would have no witness of the grace of Lord Jesus. I was once a wicked God hater, so I know what you are going through and I feel sorry for you. I do pray that you will wise up and stop wasting the time you have in this life so that you may fulfill your purpose for existence and serve your Creator. God bless you and keep you. J
Scott Klarr Dec 02, 2008
Give me one bit of evidence that shows that the Christian god is any more real than Thor. Then, if there is some way to prove that the god is in fact the Christian God, then how do you decide which denomination of worship is right? Many denominations believe that other denominations are going to Hell. Let me also ask you this, how many holy texts did you fully read before you claimed that Christianity was right?
"Take some time and consider the marvelous eyeball. What a splendid accident that was, huh?"
That is the standard IC argument of "its too complex to have not been designed in its current state." Well, nature proves that is simply not the case. Everything that is complex can be broken down into simpler but still beneficial states.
"The Holy Bible speaks to us of all manner of good and bad as it must to teach us how to live and how not to"
Have you actually READ the bible? It is disgusting. Your god is a vile and monstrous being. According to your bible, It would be a good deed - that actually used to be required - for me to be stoned to death for simply writing this message. Yeah, that is REAL good moral guidance! Your God is a lovely guy so covered in blood. Lets not forget that he damned all of human species to live pain-filled lives before dying all because Eve ate an apple. Someone needs to take some anger management classes!
BTW, Yes I used to be a "real" Christian, and because I have since committed the only unforgivable sin, it doesn't matter if I spend every second of every minutes of the rest of my live worshiping your make believe friend, I would still be punished and tortured for all eternity in fire. Boy, your god sure does know how to show his love. "You do not live the way I want with no evidence of my existence in a measly 50-100 years, then I am going to make you burn alive for ALL OF ETERNITY!!" Even if that god was real, he is not the type of being I would want to worship or consider righteous. By your very support of such monstrosity makes you a horrible person, IMO especially if you think that you would be compelled to murder and rape if you found out God was not real.
I'm a good person because Its the right thing to do, not because I'm afraid of eternal punishment. Someone who is good ONLY because of fear is not a good person no matter what kind of act they put on.
Phillip Feb 27, 2009
What evidence is there for the model of evolution??? I have been trying to research it and no one seems to have any proof! Perhaps some one on here who is so absolute about the theory oops I mean model of evolution could help me with some answers
Phillip Feb 27, 2009
Scott, another question, what is your standard of "good" and "bad"?
Tom Apr 08, 2009
I have goodone for you: What evidence there is to the theory of god? Oh sorry, I forgot, there is no theory of god, because you believe in it's existence so much, that your intelligence has atropheed from lack of use! Welcome to the smartass longue.
Reckless Apr 08, 2009
Evidence of god? Why, there's the bible, which is the WORD of god. How much more evidence do you need?
Thank you Kirk Cameron for opening my eyes.
haha
John Bull Apr 09, 2009
And where did "they" find the Bible?
Elle Apr 09, 2009
Unfortunately, you can't use the Bible as proof that God exists.
That's what we call tautological reasoning.
Try again.
Redalert Apr 09, 2009
Evidence of God is through His creation. Modern science even adopted borrowed employed some of clever stuff in nature for his benefit. Before compass and other navigational instrument was invented, birds can migrate consistently to their destinations reliably using their own natural navigational guide.
Tom Apr 10, 2009
Are you mocking yourself? Evolution is crap, because you can't see it in action, but allmighty invisible god exists, because everything around you is singing and dancing the moment you open your eyes?
Is this how you make sense of the world? In case nobody else has told you - this is not reasoning. Oh I forgot, "believers" don't know what reasoning is.. they think it's this running in circles thing you do around the bible..
..IN KINDERGARDEN!
Redalert Apr 12, 2009
"Are you mocking yourself? Evolution is crap, because you can't see it in action, but allmighty invisible god exists, because everything around you is singing and dancing the moment you open your eyes?"
I believe in God not because I blindly accepted what my religion taught me so but rather partly because tracing the base root of atheist argument like you asserting the astronomical probability of living things springing out of non living things by itself is wishful thinking at best using your own measure.
"Is this how you make sense of the world? In case nobody else has told you - this is not reasoning. Oh I forgot, "believers" don't know what reasoning is.. they think it's this running in circles thing you do around the bible....IN KINDERGARDEN!"
When specific science reaches maturity it actually affirms ideas from religion that sound previously absurd though I am not saying that all religious beliefs coincides with science.
David Apr 10, 2009
Have you ever heard of genetics?
Redalert Apr 12, 2009
Let me just say living things springing out by itself from totally scrap materials and not from scientists' pre cultured organic stuff taken from living organism itself from some laboratory.
Phillip Feb 27, 2009
Scott more directly, it is truly sad that your encounters with the "church" were so bad that they have blinded you to the greatness of God. I know that my Redeemer lives and all sin is forgiven at the point of salvation, which is when one confesses with their mouth and believes in their heart that Jesus is the Christ. As for the unforgivable sin, the Bible does speak of one but if you were to look at the context, the Pharases were saying that Jesus was of the devil and was working for him. They were saying this in Jesus' physical presence while witnessing His miricles. That was the unforgivable sin. I dont think that you were alive 2000 years ago to do that. But unless you are born again you will not enter into eternal life. Jesus said that. God loves you and the great thing is that you and I dont have to love Him back. He still loves us though we dont deserve it, though at may times we dont return it. Please forgive the harshness of the other posts of the other followers of Jesus, we are easily excited when we learn something new or when we feel like we can make a difference by posting something on someones web-site. The truth is you believe what you believe and no post of mine or his or hers will change that. Only the power and love of God will change that.
Cole Apr 08, 2009
What is this ridiculousness?! I was raised christian, and went to a christian high school- biggest in the city, I was pretty into it for awhile until I was taught things like the earth being 5k years old (lol) how they didnt believe in Science etc. None of it is based on reality! I dont need a god to tell me not to kill others, I dont need some strict moral guideline with mindlessly stupid rules (no sex before marriage? why?) Hell most churches in this province condemn alcohol. Grrr
Wookie_Legend Mar 24, 2010
"What is this ridiculousness?! I was raised christian, and went to a christian high school- biggest in the city, I was pretty into it for awhile until I was taught things like the earth being 5k years old (lol) how they didnt believe in Science etc. None of it is based on reality! I dont need a god to tell me not to kill others, I dont need some strict moral guideline with mindlessly stupid rules (no sex before marriage? why?) Hell most churches in this province condemn alcohol. Grrr"
To answer the "no sex before marriage" question, like most thing in religion dogma, this was based upon scientific facts. Why no pork for Jews and Muslims? Because the peeps eating pork kept getting trichinosis (sp?). Why no sex before marriage, because if you only had one partner in your life, you would not have to worry about the clap of whatever STD was affecting the populace at the time. Now how do you get people to follow these rules? Well Critias (an early Greek Philosopher) said it best: The clever ruler controls his subjects by encouraging their fear of nonexistent Gods (paraphrased obviously by the lack of Greek). I believe all religion is founded on this idea mixed with the one uttered by Loki in the movie Dogma "Do itâ€"Do it and I'll f**kin' spank you!" Do as God dictates or go to hell.
Try Again. Apr 08, 2009
"But unless you are born again you will not enter into eternal life. Jesus said that. God loves you and the great thing is that you and I dont have to love Him back. He still loves us though we dont deserve it, though at may times we dont return it."
To me, this is a contradiction Phillip. If I don't believe in God, then I can't get into heaven. But; He is infinitely patient and loves me unconditionally, and will forgive any trespass I make against him. (By the way, there are no unforgivable sins in the bible with the advent of the New Testament, belief in Jesus apparently trumps even the ten commandments.) If God loves me, forgives me, and welcomes me no matter what I've done; wouldn't me not believing in him simply be another fault that he forgives itself?
Not to get off the subject, but being raised as a Christian myself, I still have never understood the concept of the phrase "born again." Your soul, body, mind and beliefs might change, but they don't just spring into existence when you believe or convert. At least that wasn't my experience, but hey, apparently I don't understand the divine mysteries written two centuries after the death of Christ himself. Go go gadget Bible!
John Bull Apr 09, 2009
"It means caring nothing for this world."
Is that what I really have to do to make it into the kingdom of heaven??? Really??? Now that's just downright stupid...
Christian Mar 29, 2010
eve ate forbidden fruit, Jesus did not die for sins while stoning was required
Jeff Apr 09, 2009
Maybe a little less time in Sunday School, a little more time in English class. Does the term "paragraph" ring a bell?
Jeffersonite Dec 01, 2008
Oh yeah Scott, You can be my avatar if it makes you feel better. I don't mind. One day, the light of truth will shine on your life and you will find yourself sickened by the nastiness of your ways. I know, it happened to me. I do know that the Holy Spirit of God reveals the truth to every human being and provides an opportunity to repent before death. I hope and pray yours hasn't passed already avatar.
Scott Klarr Dec 02, 2008
Perhaps one day you will have the light of truth shine down on your life. Hail Odin!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cok36kO0bX0
(your preaching is just as ridiculous as this video will sound to you)
redalert Apr 08, 2009
How many religions have you tried before you totally abandoned the idea? People in religion may all share the idea of believing in divine beings but certainly there is a dark contrasts of believers and beliefs ranging from ridiculous to healthy skepticism. Some of these atheist seems to be product of disillusionment or dissatisfaction from their former religion then summarily dismiss religion altogether. This is reflected by the atheist motivators here which depict all the negative sides of religion.
Christian Mar 29, 2010
early religions were there to explain things mysterious. plagues, sickness, bad crop yield ect. ect.
Jeffersonite Dec 02, 2008
Your have the God given right to choose your destiny. Your opinion ouf me is as irrelevant as where my droppings end up. Now would be a good time for you to post another hateful, name calling, crass reply to further display your ignorance as this is my last visit to this unholy site. Still praying for you! Now shaking the proverbial dust from my feet.
Tom Apr 08, 2009
Sorry kid. No "god" has given me anything, but your "god" has taken stuff from you you don't even know exists! Do you know how it feels to really believe in yourself? I mean really. Not because you have been good boy and bowed your ass off to some nicely cut and painted piece of wood, not because you have done what mommy told you to do, but really, truly believed in your own ability to be. Not because somebody made you, but because you are.
Without all this shit about "come to my church and I will share my happiness with you" and "oh, in case you don't come, to hell with you, just because I love you so much!" crap. Have you ever realized, that you have your own mind, your own thoughts. Not because some "good" and "evil" do some fucking ridiculous battle because of your "soul", but because you can be whatever you want to be! You can choose, not because you fear some "all seeing-eye" somewhere in the clouds, but be cause YOU CAN CHOOSE!!!! Even in this stupid fucked up world, where you are beaten into your place before you can even understand shit - once you start understanding.. onlyone who can stop you is your own stupidity. And of course god, but this comes mostly with stupidity... or childhood trauma, say "thank you, parents!"
Cole Apr 08, 2009
Oh yes.
ACCEPT ME
OR
BURN
real nice right to choose.
Christian Mar 29, 2010
uh no. you are in sin and in the wrong in Gods case. he is offering forgiveness and not forcing anything. its a choice not do this or f*ck you.
Rose Feb 21, 2011
You have NO IDEA how much I want to slap you.
Jeffersonite Dec 02, 2008
Sorry, I forgot to mention that nature never proves anything except the magnificent glory of God, the Creator. Are you in favor of incarcerating rapists and murderers? God is just. He gave the law, prescribed the penalties, and enforces His law. He also is love. He provided a way for lawbreakers, like me and you, to avoid the penalties and enjoy the benefits of kinship with the King through the death and resurrection of Jesus, the Christ! Saul, the murderous pharisee, who made it his business to seek out and murder Christians, became Paul, the apostle after surrendering his life to Christ. You can, too.
Micheal Smith Dec 04, 2008
Okay, so he is just, he prescribed the law, that makes it all better, now if you excuse me I am off to stone my fiance for not being a virgin, dispite the fact I am one of those people who have slept with her, of course it doesn't matter as it is God's law. Screw God's law, to hell with it Screw God himself. You heard me.
Have you not realised that God is just a way of explaining things you are to ignorant to understand, I bet you that if you'd have been brought up in a society of people who don't believe in God, you would be Athiest, or at least if you still had turned to God it would be based on your own ideas, not everyone elses, you're a sheep, cattle, you follow because you are too ignorant to lead, and that is why I and all Athiest are better than you, we think for ourselves, you let others do the thinking for you.
Rose Feb 21, 2011
I like you Michael. You actually use the brain that evolution enabled you to have.
Jeffersonite Dec 12, 2008
all hail the never ignorant, everyone else is stupid godless ones. Your assumptions are false. No one thinks for me! I don't follow man, I lead man. You have no clue concerning the society I grew up in and I am not an animal of any kind. Please do remember to beg God to allow me to touch your desert dry tongue with a half drop of water after several millennium. Sorry, but as with Lazurus, the void will make such kindness impossible for you. Go on, though. Keep believing that you are far too wise for the Deity named Jehovah to exist. Continue to think there is no justice in His law. Call me and those like me ignorant fools. Hey, you might even consider tattooing 666 on your foreheads and taking up arms to massacre us in the name of no god justice. And calling yourselves wise, you became fools. I pray for mercy on you and those like you in God's love. Bless you. May you find Jesus and never want for anything. PEACE, LOVE, and AMEN.
Scott Klarr Dec 12, 2008
Yeah, yeah, I know all of the dreadful threats. You are wasting your time trying to make me quiver in fear and repent to a non-existent being.
David Apr 10, 2009
Oh yeah, I think that scared them enough. Please pass the collection plate to your left.
Cha-Ching.
Your religion is a business.
Anti-Chris Oct 24, 2009
"all hail the never ignorant, everyone else is stupid godless ones. Your assumptions are false. No one thinks for me! I don't follow man, I lead man. You have no clue concerning the society I grew up in and I am not an animal of any kind. Please do remember to beg God to allow me to touch your desert dry tongue with a half drop of water after several millennium. Sorry, but as with Lazurus, the void will make such kindness impossible for you. Go on, though. Keep believing that you are far too wise for the Deity named Jehovah to exist. Continue to think there is no justice in His law. Call me and those like me ignorant fools. Hey, you might even consider tattooing 666 on your foreheads and taking up arms to massacre us in the name of no god justice. And calling yourselves wise, you became fools. I pray for mercy on you and those like you in God's love. Bless you. May you find Jesus and never want for anything. PEACE, LOVE, and AMEN."
bwahahahahaahahah! Jehovah!? 666!? oh no! Christians are so ignorant and into their own clique yes I said clique that they even had to bash on math and numerology. A number is even considered evil. all fear the number omfjesus!!!
once idiots like you destroy the world and bring upon your own "apocalypse" I'll make sure i'm alive so I can preach about dungeons and dragons and make everyone believe that the DM is the all powerful being who controls everything, then make everyone roll a die for their entire lives and so on and so forth bwahaha.
seriously jehovajeff, go to walmart, buy a bunch of crap in bulk, support your hate mongering society of logic denying ignoramuses, and then enjoy your afterlife of fairies, and magical unicorns. Oh btw when you get there tell santa he's a dick and I wanted a bike back in the day not clothes
Ginger Feb 13, 2010
"I am not an animal of any kind"
Human's are animals the sooner you face this fact the more relaxed you will be. Humans are no better or worse than other animals where just different!
Piotre Dec 12, 2008
You persons claiming no God are quite mistaken. I have met on many occasions with Him. He has even revealed Him self to a great number of my country men. On my first encounter with God. A bosnian had shot me in the chest with a rifle. I am yugoslav. I reside for a time in Sydney now. When the muslim shot me, I was carrying turnips to market and I fell over. God appeared out of nowhere. I had been alone on the road except for the muslim. I hated and wished to kill this enemy when God touched my chest. I became whole again instantly and hate and vengance left me. My country men and some serbs have told similar truths. I have not been wounded again but God has walked to market with me. He is very good but does not like islam,
Piotre Dec 12, 2008
You persons claiming no God are quite mistaken. I have met on many occasions with Him. He has even revealed Him self to a great number of my country men. On my first encounter with God. A bosnian had shot me in the chest with a rifle. I am yugoslav. I reside for a time in Sydney now. When the muslim shot me, I was carrying turnips to market and I fell over. God appeared out of nowhere. I had been alone on the road except for the muslim. I hated and wished to kill this enemy when God touched my chest. I became whole again instantly and hate and vengance left me. My country men and some serbs have told similar truths. I have not been wounded again but God has walked to market with me. He is very good but does not like islam,
John B Dec 12, 2008
That's so cool' Pete:)
Scott Klarr Dec 12, 2008
Why does god not show himself to EVERYONE? That would shut all of us atheists up right away and prove us wrong.
If we are so in the wrong and going to be punished SO HORRIBLY for not buying into fairy tales (how am I supposed to know WHICH fairy tale to believe as truth? There are THOUSANDS of them), then it would be the loving and kind thing to do for God to just show himself and erase all doubt.
Wolfgang DelaSangre Dec 13, 2008
Even if He showed himself to you, would you be willing to submit to Him? I think that's the question you really have to ask yourself.
Oh, by the way, you forgot these two.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m117/Super_Puzzler/Religion.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m117/Super_Puzzler/UnderstandingGod.jpg
Scott Klarr Dec 13, 2008
I would acknowledge his presence, but I do not think I would submit to him because I do not agree with his ideals and actions. I would choose to continue using my free will and be the best human being I could be - then when judgment day comes I would accept the "punishment" he saw fit for my refusal to bow before him.
There once was a time that I did believe and agree with the words in the bible (of course, I didn't know everything in the Bible then); Yes, I was once a Christian, and I probably still would be if he wasn't so invisible and keen on "working in mysterious ways."
Thanks for the links, I will add them.
cheribom Apr 08, 2009
Good point, god's a dick.
Redalert Apr 09, 2009
You sounds like blaming, ranting against a non existent god now.
Wookie_Legend Mar 24, 2010
God's motto:
“When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all.â€
I saw it on Futurama
John B Dec 12, 2008
Hey I don't like no muslims niether
Stephen S Jan 09, 2009
Unfortunately, there's no reasoning with these people, they are the ones that believe in god completely and utterly and even if someone had solid evidence that there is no god they wouldn't believe it, and keep their "faith". In my opinion religion has caused more problems than solutions, their morals are outdated, as are their methods, they justify almost everything they do with their religion even though the topic probably has no real concrete meaning to it, religions also clash with each other frequently, such as two civilizations justifying their ownership of land through their religion (hint hint). These people will just drink the kool-aid until the world's crackpots stop their mindless preachings and civilizations advance to a point where people don't accept "Becuase god says so" or "Becuase god did this" as the answer to everything. Hopefully it doesn't take centuries, but the faster, the better.
Stephen S Jan 09, 2009
Oh and there's this one.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/discoweasel/3031196157/
Artanis186 Jan 15, 2009
Heh, I printed out a buncha these and some religious dumbass started reading them, he crumpled them up along with some other pages of my school work and threw em out angrily. I kicked him. ^.^ *prints off more*
WACHNA Jan 23, 2009
SHUT UP AND JUST LET PEOPLE BELIEVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE! EVEN IF THEYRE WRONG *POINTS AT ATHEISTS*
Scott Klarr Jan 23, 2009
I love how badly you contradicted yourself in such a short span of words. If you truly believe people should be quiet about what they believe and leave others alone, why are you coming to MY blog and posting a comment telling me to shut up?
Scott Klarr Jan 23, 2009
We will keep our anti-belief personal when people start keeping their religious beliefs personal. If Christians feel they can force their ideas onto me through government and social control, then I have no reason to sit by idly and let them do whatever the fuck they want.
John Bull Apr 09, 2009
And there, good Scott, lies the essence on your entire forum.... speak up dude!!!
Anti-Chris Oct 24, 2009
"We will keep our anti-belief personal when people start keeping their religious beliefs personal. If Christians feel they can force their ideas onto me through government and social control, then I have no reason to sit by idly and let them do whatever the fuck they want."
on that note, where is the atheist TV channel? or the national Atheist banks? Why aren't we allowed to publicly display and tell our logic that has actual scientific proof without criticism yet these ignorant bastards get to just spread the shalalalalleeeleelololo talking in tongues crap, and tell us we will BURN IN THE FIERY DEPTHS OF HELL IF WE DON'T ACCEPT JAJAJAJESUS CHRISTAH!!!
fuck Christians, try to spill me your nonsense and I will fucking stab you, seriously.
Steve K Jan 25, 2009
First of all, I agree that people should respect others' beliefs. Second, John B, what reason do you have for not liking Muslims? Muslims as a whole have done nothing, it is simply the incompetent, brain washed idiots that have caused the war on terror. True Muslims have similar beliefs to Christians, in that they believe in God (or Allah in Arabic), and they believe in many of the sins that Christians do, except they believe that Jesus was simply a prophet and not the Son of God. I know this for a fact because my best friends' whole family is Muslim and they own a copy of the Qu'ran. Also, there is no possible way of proving the existance of God or gods, and if He/They did exist which religion (or lack thereof) is correct. If the Universe came from the big bang or any other natural occurance, and if the Theory of Conservation of Matter/Mass is correct, and matter cannot be created or destroyed, where did all of the matter in the Universe come from? And if God(s) created it, then where did He/They come from?
Scott Klarr Feb 06, 2009
"First of all, I agree that people should respect others' beliefs."
I find it important for everyone to respect others' RIGHT to believe; I do not, however, find there be any reason that you should automatically respect WHAT they believe. :)
Phillip Feb 27, 2009
If I am free to believe what I want to believe then I believe this "You and I are sinners destined for eternal punishment because God requires perfection to enter into His kingdom. But God is love and sent His Son Jesus, to take our place and die for our sins (Jesus being God, the Creator of all died for you and me) so that by his death His perfection can be placed on our account so then we have perfection to enter into God's eternal kingdom. It is by grace through faith not by works that we are saved. Any thing in contradiction to this is not true. This is the only way to heaven. If you reject this, you reject Jesus, if you reject Jesus, He will reject you. That results in your eternal punishment." That is what I believe. You dont have to believe that if you dont want to. I will never force the truth on anyone, I will only share it freely to anyone who will listen or read. I in return will listen or read your opinion. It is fair.
Tom Apr 08, 2009
Probably it's comforting for you to know, that there is nothing in the world that will prevent the mechanics of our reality from working the same way on all the elementary particles that you and everybody and everything else are composed of.
Now keep on dreaming, that something else happens to you after your body stops functioning than to cats and dogs and Richard Dawkins. And to be extra sure, spend most of your life doing nothing but dreaming to be dead and happy. Because maybe it will increase the probablilty that it will actually happen. Because you know, there is already one "documented" case!! That's like sure fucking thing compared to all the living things EVER existed on this planet.
Rcihard B. Apr 08, 2009
In response to the Conservation of Mass question: the theory (and this is scientific theory, meaning it's been tested rigorously and been proven many a time) is more accurately called the Conservation of Energy, where mass is equated to energy using Einstein's famous E=mc2 (that's m times c squared). Thus, the total energy in a system cannot change, but the total mass can. A perfect example of this is the matter-antimatter reaction in which a positron and an electron annihilate and are both transformed into pure energy (~511 mega-electron volts each).
Richard B. Apr 08, 2009
and, the same occurs in the reaction involving two photons having a combined energy of more than 1022 MeV which creates the positron-electron pair to begin with. Thus, the energy released in the big bang was changed into mass.
Ray Apr 08, 2009
You're mistaking the essence of that equation. When Einstein says (simplifying the real equation) "E=Mc^2" he's saying that Mass and Energy are the *same thing* in different forms.
The proper name of the law is the Law of Conservation of Mass-Energy.
Energy can change form into mass just as easily as mass can change form into energy.
Jeff Apr 12, 2009
If I understand what you say correctly, it would imply that all of the matter/energy in the universe was at one time concentrated in a singularity so small as to have so many digits after the decimal point that I lose count of them. Additionally, this incredible constant energy singularity spontaneously came into existance without a known cause and possessed such a complex structure and group of forces (or evolved into them) so as to result in the universe we see around us and the life forms we are today. Is that essentially it (with obvious over-simplification in an attempt to summarize all processes)? Just asking.
Anti-Chris Oct 24, 2009
no all of it has existed for all of the "man made" measurement of time, just like god supposedly has existed for "all time" hmm, funny. Man made the existence of time, man made the existence of religion, wait a second, religion is MAN MADE NO WAY!!!
once again, I don't think people who look into religion are wrong, I just think they are so helplessly ignorant that there is no hope for them. Religion on the other hand is the source of so called "evil" on this earth. just IMO
SFC Jan 29, 2009
There's probably no god.
You ought stop worrying and start to enjoy the rest of your life,
peace!
redalert Apr 08, 2009
"There's probably no god. You ought stop worrying and start to enjoy the rest of your life."
I am religious person and I stop worrying, been enjoying my life. What makes us different is I have things to look forward to and some higher purpose other than enjoying or worrying myself to death.
Tom Apr 10, 2009
No not really. The difference is, that you THINK you have some higher purpose to DIE for.
Now just THINK for a moment, why is this good? Is this good because you will live happy carefree life.. or is this just handy, in case somebody tells you to do something incredibly stupid for the "higher purpose" that might very likely get you killed ..and well, YOU WILL BE JUST HAPPY TO DO IT!!!
So if this higher purpose is something so wonderful, and death is something to look forward for.. why do you think your lord makes you wait so long..?
I think you don't think enough. And that's why you are easy to exploit for stupid things, that no sane person would do, that may get you killed. Right now you are just waiting for your turn. Don't worry, it will come.
Redalert Apr 16, 2009
"No not really. The difference is, that you THINK you have some higher purpose to DIE for."
And you think you have? Share that higher purpose and let's see if that can click something within us.
"Now just THINK for a moment, why is this good? Is this good because you will live happy carefree life.. or is this just handy, in case somebody tells you to do something incredibly stupid for the "higher purpose" that might very likely get you killed ..and well, YOU WILL BE JUST HAPPY TO DO IT!!!"
Maybe a statue or relic erected somewhere to commemorate your greatness will be your highest motivation, is that it? If not, well what a pathetic life we have to spent, right?
"So if this higher purpose is something so wonderful, and death is something to look forward for.. why do you think your lord makes you wait so long..?"
Temporal life is not that long, it's fleeting in my standard, before you know it, you're through.
"I think you don't think enough. And that's why you are easy to exploit for stupid things, that no sane person would do, that may get you killed. Right now you are just waiting for your turn. Don't worry, it will come."
The difference is when my time comes, I wont be crapping my pants.
TimD Oct 17, 2009
"The difference is when my time comes, I wont be crapping my pants."
Wanna bet? What's the closest you've been?
Spyrl 9 Feb 16, 2009
It is amazing how much fighting there is on the topic of religion, (both here and throughout history). Especially when a said religion claims to be one of universal love. If a deity is truly benevolant and "full of love", how much do you really believe (s)he would approve of all the hate and violence that is projected at those of differing DETAILS of faith?
Faith is a beautiful thing, it is healthy to believe in something -and can give meaning to one's life. But blind faith is ignorant (the same could be said for blind lack of faith). Why would God give us the gifts of reason and contemplation if we are not meant to use them. We Should question our faiths. Find what what truly does hold meaning to us and find a belief that best applies to us. We all have lived different lives and have had different experiences and thoughts. It makes sense that the details of what we hold faith in would differ.
If you are a good person doing good things, than you believe in the same thing as myself -the details of those beliefs just may differ. And it is these details that all of the fighting is about. It is understandable to want to share what has brought you joy, but you shouldn't push your beliefs onto another. And, on the same note, you should not let beliefs be pushed on you. Better to truly believe in something and be unpopular than only half believe something to "fit in". Faith should be something we find comfort, and happiness in. Not something forced fed to us.
conor Feb 22, 2009
motivational
or
arrogant and condescending?
Try Again. Apr 08, 2009
The reference to motivational is simply the format of the pictures themselves, consisting of the black background, the large primary word of phrase, then a witty statement. But you knew that, you were going for the quick jab and a grasp at witticism yourself. Clever you.
Dave Feb 25, 2009
I used to be godless, but then I read these posters and decided to convert. Scott Klarr, this website is awesome, you are my new God. I'm going to go drink some fresh lamb's blood now before class.
Amanda Wrigglesworth Mar 01, 2009
"Every animal lived within walking distance of Noah's house" "Abstinence" and "Spoiler: Jesus Dies" made me laugh the most, but they're all great. Thanks for sharing these. :)
Billy Smee Mar 14, 2009
1) How if God revealed Himself would we know it was him?
2)If God revealed Himself surely the need to "believe" in him would be diminished by the simple fact we all know he existed. Nobody believes in something you see everyday, like cars or other such items, so if we saw God he would become materialistic and nobody would believe, would they?
Rcihard B. Apr 08, 2009
So... let me get this straight, you don't believe in things you see every day. So you don't believe cars exist (using your own example)? Or even light, gravity, skittles, concrete, birds, etc? That's some mighty fine logic there.
Rayterrin Mar 18, 2009
Dear Scott,
Where do we go when we die?
Rcihard B. Apr 08, 2009
Dear Rayterrin,
We go into the ground (or fire, if you choose cremation). After that? Your cells are now dead, and will slowly be eaten by bacteria, which in turn will give off nutrients that will leak into the ground. Those nutrients are then used by plants for the process of photosynthesis. Then, some animal (or person) eats those plants. See, it's the effing circle of life.
In terms of our "soul", nowhere. The soul is just something we create in our minds so we don't have to deal with the reality of not existing any more. No person can imagine what nonexistence would be like, so we assume we must have a soul, or something that lives on long after we die.
Mugget Apr 08, 2009
The ground. Nobody goes anywhere, just dead. Pray to your sky daddy all you like. The fact that you have sinned is meaningless if you accept God as your savior on your death bed then you will go to heaven. so on my death bed I will lie to myself as you have and accept God as my savior and go live with the great sky daddy.
If you tell yourself a lie all your life you may start to believe it.
redalert Apr 08, 2009
Atheist will more likely not put himself in jeopardy for the sake of others. That's what missing in these people. They can't be totally selfless. They are about enjoying or devising ways to make mans' fleeting life enjoyable. A purpose so shallow I can't really imagine living.
Try Again. Apr 08, 2009
"Atheist will more likely not put himself in jeopardy for the sake of others. That's what missing in these people. They can't be totally selfless. They are about enjoying or devising ways to make mans' fleeting life enjoyable. A purpose so shallow I can't really imagine living."
Seriously... Where the hell do you get this hair brained information from, the 700 club on the Christian cable channel?
If I want someone religious to put himself totally at stake for me, I'll call Tom Cruise. As we all know, the Scientologists are the only ones that drive by crises in action and have any real knowledge of what to do to help. *jumps on a couch and spouts about Xenu*
redalert Apr 08, 2009
"You are generalizing again, and there is absolutely no proof you can show that religious people are more willing to do anything than a non religious person. Police officers and fire fighters put their lives on the line daily; this doesn't espouse some religious overtone. They might be religious; they aren't more courageous because of that fact, they are relevant because they know that what they do might have serious consequences for them, yet they do it anyway."
Let me quote Alex to answer you:" To Elizabeth too, that was poorly worded on my part. That is very much a selfless act by those people and I applaud them for it. But you are extremely hardpressed to find individuals that aren't Christian who raise money for themselves to go with a very small group of people to live in rural/poor places for years at a time completely changing life in a small community for the better. THAT is very different thing than a guy that hands out a bag of rice from a truck every few weeks."
John Bull Apr 09, 2009
Cool but I'll get Bruce Willis to help me he does it out of selflessness whereas the Scientoligists are still following some kind of dictum....
Redalert Apr 09, 2009
LOL, some atheist seems to resort to cherry picking when religion actually is so broad to reduce them simplify them associate them with a bad apple.
Donovan L. Rich Feb 01, 2010
Really now... Just because I myself am an Atheist, I will not put myself in harms way? I am a member of the armed forces and the thought that the man standing next to me is simply "better" than me because he has this deity who essentially commands him to be selfless is something to laugh at. The only reason he has to be selfless is because someone wants him to be proves that he is weak and primitive... Denifitly the opposite of "better".
Also to comment on the fact that I want to enjoy the life that I have... You are saying you don't want to? You'd rather be completely miserable your ENTIRE life? What exactly is your purpose anyway? What could you possible be doing here that makes yourself superior to me?
By the way, I joined up with the military to be COMPLETELY selfless. Sacrificing myself everyday I'm here for people I don't even know. I don't see any better way to conduct myself.
Wookie_Legend Mar 25, 2010
"By the way, I joined up with the military to be COMPLETELY selfless. Sacrificing myself everyday I'm here for people I don't even know. I don't see any better way to conduct myself."
Donovan, I don't know you, but thank you.
Rose Feb 21, 2011
Oh I saw that show once! I laughed really really REALLY hard. Then I threw up.
Anti-Chris Oct 24, 2009
"Atheist will more likely not put himself in jeopardy for the sake of others. That's what missing in these people. They can't be totally selfless. They are about enjoying or devising ways to make mans' fleeting life enjoyable. A purpose so shallow I can't really imagine living."
UM WRONG, just the other day I An atheist took it upon myself to jump in front of a child of which was about to be hit by a car to protect said child, people help people because its morally correct, and morals are also MANMADE, not santa made, MANMADE!
why dont you read a book with logic instead of a nursery rhyme book that is however many thousands of pages long.
Try Again. Apr 08, 2009
I'll answer for Scott on this one: ASGARD!
Anti-Chris Oct 24, 2009
i second that notion
anthony Mar 18, 2009
It is so funny to see theists get so worked up, they can go around shoving phamplets into my hands at the supermarket telling me to get saved but you post your beliefs on your own blog and its like you've crucified THEM.
Seriously, god is not real. Just like santa, just like thor, just like Jedis....ok Jedis are more likely to be real than god.
Either way, people shouldnt NEED god to be good people; if the only thing convincing you to live your life by some ancient, irrelavent mandates is a reward then there is something seriously wrong with your moral compass. I am a good, moral person and I know when I die-I will be DEAD; as in no heaven, no hell, just freaking dead.
sheeesh
Redalert Apr 09, 2009
"It is so funny to see theists get so worked up, they can go around shoving phamplets into my hands at the supermarket telling me to get saved but you post your beliefs on your own blog and its like you've crucified THEM."
I don't do the pamphlet stuff and I don't feel like being crucified with the narrowed views of atheist toward religion in general.
"Seriously, god is not real. Just like santa, just like thor, just like Jedis....ok Jedis are more likely to be real than god."
I don't believe in Santa neither thor, but I believe in God because I can't accept taht we are all products of accident and million odds chance and not by intelligent design.
"Either way, people shouldnt NEED god to be good people; if the only thing convincing you to live your life by some ancient, irrelavent mandates is a reward then there is something seriously wrong with your moral compass. I am a good, moral person and I know when I die-I will be DEAD; as in no heaven, no hell, just freaking dead.
sheeesh"
Even the migratory birds without the human-like comprehension can't be aware or comprehend what is reliably guiding them towards their destination. This birds' natural guide can be compared to your moral compass, this constructive yearning is there imprinted to all of us.
Elle Apr 09, 2009
Our narrow views, your narrow views. Could be narrow all around, but at least take a look at what you're saying as well.
Santa is irrelevant. But why not Thor? Why not the Olympians? Why not Allah? Why not one or several other(s) of the multitudes of gods that have appeared throughout history? Because they're ridiculous? More ridiculous than Christianity?
Well, they could be aware, so let's not rule that out. I would like to ask, though, if by stating "your moral compass," (as opposed to "our", perhaps) you intend to 'lower' atheists to the cognitive level of a goose? I don't intend to be horribly touchy. I merely ask to learn.
I'd also like to add that humans are a social species, so the interest of doing good for other humans is probably the manifestation of personal interest in gaining connections or perhaps "taking one for the team". There is natural empathy and compassion. Biologically, this makes sense, or else, as a social species, we likely would have disintegrated. But we still don't need a god to follow natural inclination.
Redalert Apr 10, 2009
"Santa is irrelevant. But why not Thor? Why not the Olympians? Why not Allah? Why not one or several other(s) of the multitudes of gods that have appeared throughout history? Because they're ridiculous? More ridiculous than Christianity?"
There are misled theists who worship false gods and proving all of these divine beings to be true is not the issue. These people are just fulfilling their yearning and inclination toward the mystical and spiritual as manifestations of what God ideally created us to be.
"Well, they could be aware, so let's not rule that out. I would like to ask, though, if by stating "your moral compass," (as opposed to "our", perhaps) you intend to 'lower' atheists to the cognitive level of a goose? I don't intend to be horribly touchy. I merely ask to learn."
Both atheist and theist acknowledge and are aware of the constructive drive, the moral compass though they differ in meaning.
"I'd also like to add that humans are a social species, so the interest of doing good for other humans is probably the manifestation of personal interest in gaining connections or perhaps "taking one for the team". There is natural empathy and compassion. Biologically, this makes sense, or else, as a social species, we likely would have disintegrated. But we still don't need a god to follow natural inclination."
I believe you look at man at the base levels, man is more than that if you look more deeply. There are things imprinted in man that supersedes, defies mere self preservation, self aggrandizement and most can be seen on the theist side, stuff though that atheist may see as stupid. The ultimate goal of religion for me is to detach himself from these base needs of specie prosperity and propagation.
Wookie_Legend Mar 25, 2010
If God created everything 5,000 or 35,000 years ago (or whatever you Christians think), and everyone from that point on knew it, how did we get polytheism? How did Jehovah turn into Ra, Onuris and Anubis? How did He turn into Zeus, Ares, and Aphrodite in Greece, along with a completely new version of how the world came into being? We all know Roman Gods are just Greek Gods with new names, so no mystery there, but how did the Norse Gods Odin, Thor and Tyr come into being? What would make these civilizations *all* convert from knowing there was just one God to thinking (S)He had helpers?
I have an explanation for this, but I'd like to know what you think Redalert.
My explanation is "it's all made up" Polytheism didn't work as well for controlling the masses as a Single more powerful deity, but it was what was in place when leaders starting using religion to scare people into behaving. But with with multiple Gods you can appease one with pissing off another. They needed to give those bums one God to worship so they stop pissing on the alter to Jupiter for Mars' adoration. So Rome converted.
Redalert Apr 10, 2009
...Both atheist and theist acknowledge and are aware of the moral compass though they differ in interpretaion....
Anti-Chris Oct 24, 2009
um there is no proof that we are the only living beings in the NEVER ENDING universe, they odds are more against your claims than with them.
how big do you think you really are, take yourself "redalert" and measure yourself against the solar system, against the galaxy, then against the universe. Then logically tell me that same bs again
Rayterrin Mar 19, 2009
So if we r just dead when we die what does it matter to be a moral upstanding person? cuz ultimately in the end of ur life it doesnt matter one way or the other... correct? doing what u please when u please right? im not trying to strike out and aruge, truly curious thou? any thoughts anyone?
ely Apr 08, 2009
one does not need God or Gods to have a sense of morality and understand the difference between right and wrong.
philosophy and ethics are tools that try to determine our place in this natural world, how best to treat other humans, animals, and the world in general. these sciences do not need a divine source, nor do they exclude a divine source.
atheists, agnostics, and the religious all have the same opportunities to cause "evil" in this world. all have the opportunity to view their dogma as more correct than another's dogma and decide to do the "right thing" and wipe it from existence. pagans v. christians, christians v. everyone else, jews v. islam, islam v. everyone else, etc.
in fact, with the prospect of nothing after this life it is more of an incentive to create, to do good, to do right towards all the inhabitants of this planet. an atheist wouldn't have the crutch of being able to say "i'm sorry, please forgive me father" after buggering that poor child or lopping off some "infidel"'s head and then still getting into heaven (or bettering his chances)
atheists need to do what is RIGHT; now, in THIS lifetime, because it is all that they have. No crutches, no excuses, no "God made me kill my son because he's the anti-christ" bull shite.
i am an agnostic, not atheist. not christian, nor any other -ian. I believe in a divine spark that imbued the universe with life and we are to work with that life to make it better. I don't need a named God to tell me that.
My version of Intelligent Design... The Divine _whatever_ spent 6 "days" in getting all the programming setup, all the if, then, else statements written, and quite a bit of self-regulating code to tweak things on the way. Getting that whole framework setup and then hitting the Big Bang button and see what happens. Science is the study of that work (the Vatican has a very good science program to study God's creation from a science and a religious aspect)
Larry Apr 11, 2009
Calling Philosophy and Ethics a science is utterly ludicrous. Neither of those intellectual pursuits are even rigidly defined, as any "true" science is.
Philosophy is a system by which one determines how to rationalize anything that does not fit snugly into a pigeon-hole with your own little reality.
Ethics, on the other hand, is a term used to describe our moral compass...although it sets your bearing based on society's general concepts.
Don't be such a sheep...decide for yourself and create your own ethics and moral path.
Wynnde
Ray Apr 08, 2009
Think of it like hiking where the rule is to leave the trail in better shape than when you arrived:
Leave the world in better condition than when you arrived in it.
That's the Meaning of Life. The only thing left of you after you die is whatever change you made in the world that persists after you die. If you think that's "nothing", well, I don't want to associate with you, thanks much.
When it comes down to it, that's really all that most religions are trying to teach. They have to couch in in carrots and sticks to convince people for whom it's not just inherently obvious (or who are too anti-social to care). This is where the whole completely nonsensical concepts of Heaven and Hell came from.
The "Believe or you shall be punished" bit is really just there for meme propagation. Here's a 99 things they want you to believe, most of them pretty reasonable and obvious... in order to "hook" you they add a 100th thing: "Believe this whole set of rules or you're going to hell".
Scott S. Mar 20, 2009
I have faced the same struggle as many of the people who have posted here, trying to wrap my head around the concept of death. I think that that is what it comes down to. Try to think about the end of your consciousness... imagine not thinking anymore. It is impossible for us to do. Yes, you can sit on your couch and veg out on crap tv, while not having any significant heigher level thought processes... but you can't shut it off. You can merely distract yourself. I have read several of the holy texts out there, to include; the Bible, the Book of Mormon and the Quran. I have met both virtuous and wicked people in each of the associated religions, and wicked and virtuous Atheists and Agnostics. The ability to commit offenses against another person exists in all of us. Whether that be because of evil placed within us by the devil, that whisper in your ear if you will... or the lack of divine intervention in our decision making processes, I think it is impossible to know.
I, as you may have guessed, consider myself an Agnostic. I pussy position by some peoples view. Cast your stones, I shall forgive your trespasses. Agnostics sit on the fence between the theists and atheists.
Websters defines an Agnostic as someone who does not deny the existence of God, but rather the possibility of knowing Him (Her/It).
That is me in a nut shell. I can't fathom the end of my consciousness, nor can I fathom that anyone has gotten in right either. If you hear a synic talk about Christianity, it sounds insane... as insane as Scientology to not just Christians but everyone.
For those of you who came here and said ignorant things baout just shutting up and letting people think and do what they want, (yes I am about to get slightly hostile) are you out of your ever loving mind? Much in the same way that 'all it takes for evil to triumph over good, is for good men to do nothing', all it takes for subjugation ot triumph over freedom, is for opposite minded people to say nothing. This is a healthy discussion. A necessary one as well. Most of the world beleives in some form of higher being, and of that majority, most of them want us all to be governed by the tenants of their various religions. Look at the fanatics in the Middle East, the lengths they go to in order to have a country governed by Sharia law. Look at the debate in the U.S. over Gay marriage, abortion, creationism vs evolution being taught in schools, school prayers, In God we trust on our money... the list goes on and on, and it affects each one of us in our daily lives.
Morality is relative to our socialization process. What we consider socially and morally reprehensable in America is not the same as, well lets say a Ugandan or Congolese 'rebel'. Raping of women is a hobby that receives little to no criticism by ones peers in those circles. That is how they were brought up. Read up on the affects of ones socialition process on ones actions.
To address some other comments made here;
1) though it is a valid point about stoning your fiancee, don't reduce yourself to using obvious extreme arguements in lieu of an intellectual one. No one is going to convince someone else to shut up or give up their point of view on this site.
2) whoever it was that made the comment about not being here for this life, but for the next. You are required by your faith to give up all things worldly, this includes your car, house, clothes on your back, and all of the money in your bank account. In order to live properly by this, you have to stop eating, sleeping, or anything else that would distract you form 'spreading the good word'. Because that is what you believe God asks of you. So, what was the last movie you saw in the theatre? Why were you not out spreading the word now? Why have you spent the past five minutes reading my post on this blog.
Now, my father who is a very evangelical Christian always poses the question of, 'If Christianity turns out ot be wrong, but you led your life according to its values, what harm has been done?' The well articulated arguement for living by a set code of morality. Not a lot of harm I always have to agree. However, in the process, you give up that truth seeking part of yourself, and allow whoever is in control of the religion to control your thoughts. Look of Mormonism. It has done a fantastic job of anticipating turns in the moral majority, and dictating the behavior of its believers for the past century or so. When they had a steady base, they turned form polygamy in order to appeal to the masses. They were ahead of society, but right on target with scientists, about preaching of the dangers of tobacco, alchohol, and caffeine. When the church started, they were not as straight laced as they appear to be now. As science was proving it was bad for you, the church took it as a prompt, and a prophecy was revealed to not use these things. It did take them a bit longer to catch on to the whole civil rights thing, with not allowing blacks to hold their priesthood until the '80's, but aside from that, not a bad track record or dictating behavior.
This is what many Christians, Muslims, Catholics etc... want for all of us. If someone does not agree with the tenants by which you live your life, they should not sit quietly by while you attempt to ammend the constitution to support your beliefs. That would be as wrong as those who beleive Gay marriage is a disgrace to the sanctity of the union not saying anything... (although one is reminded to not cast stones, or make claims to know Gods wishes, and perhaps let God go ahead and decide if he wants to honor that union or not on his own terms. Kinda makes sense to just leave that one alone... unless you are claiming to know what exactly God is thinking right now about the whole thing. Good luck not getting judged yourself for that one).
I digress,
My point is this, a) consider Agnosticism b) continue the debates, but in an intellectual manner that the gravity of the discussion deserves
and c) challenge yourself. So many people hate out of fear. Christians, or rather all theists, far too often try to shut people in order to not have to think about or confront their own beliefs. If what you beleive is trully correct, don't be afraid to listen to and think about the other side of the arguement. Not just for ammunition or a way to spin and convert, but for the actual merit of the view point.
Joe W Apr 08, 2009
Scott S; An absolutely brilliant summary of many of the thoughts I have had myself on this issue. As an agnostic man myself, I must congratulate you on presenting your view in a sensible manner whilst managing not to stoop to the level of offence some others on this site have.
Oh, and lol at many of the pictures :)
Jeff Apr 12, 2009
Your comments are reasonable. Agnosticism is an intellectually honest position so long as one continues to explore the underlying issues of our existence in an effort to figure out what one believes is true.
I would also add that an agnostic should evaluate each belief system he or she thinks worthy of consideration and discard those that seem irrational. In doing so, I would also suggest that one disregard the behavior of some of the extreme practitioners of each belief system because those practitioners are usually not representative of the belief systems themselves (The Inquisition is not a justification for rejecting Christianity; Mao and Pol Pot are not justifications for rejecting atheism).
If you evaluate your own beliefs/understanding with an open mind when considering the claims of a given religion or of atheism you may find that your agnosticism will fade, to be replaced with an affirmative belief system / understanding. But in my humble opinion listening to the rants of rabid theists and rabid atheists is pointless.
There is a reason that moderate, intelligent people come to opposite conclusions about God. For example, there are prominent contemporary scientists who are theists, among them Francis Collins (a former atheist and head of the Human Genome Project); John Polkinghorne (Physicist and priest); Paul Davies (Physicist and cosmologist at Arizona State University. He chairs the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) postdetection committee) for starters. Other scientists are atheists. Among them, Richard Dawkins (Evolutionary biologist) and Carl Sagan (astronomer). Read them all. Evaluate them all. Make up your own mind what seems most plausible.
Listening to an atheist ranting about what God is or isn't or who Jesus is or isn't is no more valid than listening to a fundamentalist Christian bashing evolution. Each is a partisan, locked into his or her point of view and neither is thoughtfully listening to the other. The uproar is deafening.
Your father has made his choice and he is comfortable with the consequences of that choice. You get your turn to do the same. So did I. Like you, I was once an agnostic, a position that I found troubling because it does not admit to an answer. I've read much, studied much, and I am comfortable with my belief system / understanding. I still read constantly (both sides of the argument) because I am not afraid of ideas, including those I ultimately discard. The consequences for my life are mine. It is the same for all of us.
Lesa Jun 02, 2009
Scott S wrote on March 20: "I think it is impossible to know. ... I, as you may have guessed, consider myself an Agnostic. I pussy position by some peoples view. Cast your stones, I shall forgive your trespasses. Agnostics sit on the fence between the theists and atheists."
gnosticism and agnosticism describe *knowledge* or lack thereof.
theism and atheism describe *belief* or lack thereof.
They describe different things, and just as someone can be brown-haired and blue-eyed, someone else could be blonde-haired and blue-eyed. There can be agnostic theists (theists who don't claim to know the nature of their deity), gnostic theists (theists who claim to know the nature of their deity), agnostic atheists (people who don't believe in deities but don't claim to know they don't exist), and gnostic atheists (people who deny the existence of gods).
Since you don't subscribe to theism, that makes you an atheist by default. You withhold belief until you have evidence, which is the reasonable position to take.
Since your stance is that the existence or non-existence of deities is unknowable, this also makes you an agnostic. This can also a reasonable position to take, imo, as long as sentience isn't a requirement in a deity, and that deity doesn't have to be its own separate entity.
You, Scott, are an agnostic atheist, and there is nothing wrong with that. :)
Scott S. Mar 20, 2009
Sorry for the crap ton of spelling and grammatical errors I must have maid in the above post. Trying to write quickly on my lunch break.
Rayterrin Mar 25, 2009
Thank u for the above post, very much something to wrap ur mind around :), i do have another question, see what u think on this one.
So why is Satan evil, what makes him so in the wrong? Silly question right? Well look at it in this light. Why would someone leave a home in glory where everything is perfect, wonderful to rebel against ur master? Why is he rebeling, there has to be more than power hungry evil, in satans point of view God is evil, every bad guy thinks they r in the right and the good guy is wrong. However is u live in glory, and u can read and see ur fate of everlasting fire, why do u continue to fight against? makes u wonder, must really have to believe what ur fighting for u to sacrifice everything u r like that... what do u think?
Cray h. Apr 08, 2009
idk but he like wanted to the glory of creating earth and man from god or something im not really sure...
Portal Apr 08, 2009
The cake is a lie.
Ellykay Apr 09, 2009
This was a triumph.
I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
Aperture Science
We do what we must
because we can.
For the good of all of us.
Except the ones who are dead.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake.
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
And the Science gets done.
And you make a neat gun.
For the people who are still alive.
I'm not even angry.
I'm being so sincere right now.
Even though you broke my heart.
And killed me.
And tore me to pieces.
And threw every piece into a fire.
As they burned it hurt because I was so happy for you!
Now these points of data make a beautiful line.
And we're out of beta.
We're releasing on time.
So I'm GLaD. I got burned.
Think of all the things we learned
for the people who are still alive.
Go ahead and leave me.
I think I prefer to stay inside.
Maybe you'll find someone else to help you.
Maybe Black Mesa
THAT WAS A JOKE.
HAHA. FAT CHANCE.
Anyway, this cake is great.
It's so delicious and moist.
Look at me still talking
when there's Science to do.
When I look out there, it makes me GLaD I'm not you.
I've experiments to run.
There is research to be done.
On the people who are still alive.
And believe me I am still alive.
I'm doing Science and I'm still alive.
I feel FANTASTIC and I'm still alive.
While you're dying I'll be still alive.
And when you're dead I will be still alive.
STILL ALIVE (x2)
Eddy Feb 23, 2010
and the point of listing the entire lyrics of still alive was..... 0_o
Kevin Apr 08, 2009
Does anyone else realize that the "Major Schisms of Atheism One", the Occam's Razor one, and then the "The simplest answer is often the cleverest and is also usually wrong" all contradict one another? Just saying...
kott sclarr Apr 08, 2009
thanks a lot, scott, for being such a smart guy.
religious people,get over it. honestly, you're delusional if you really believe some crackpot theory concieved 2000 years ago over modern science.
just get over it.
Christine Apr 08, 2009
I was raised Catholic until I was around 10. Now I am an avid follower of the Church of FSM. Unlike Christianity or most of the other world religions, there are actual sitings for my revered deity. My faith fills my soul, and my stomach. http://www.venganza.org/
Shazz Apr 09, 2009
So happy to find a fellow FSM follower. May his Noodly Apendage touch you, and all who comment here.
Fascinating reading, but my thoughts haven't changed. Believe what you will, but don't force it on others and don't use it as an excuse for what you do in life. You make your own choices so don't try to coat it with a religious banner when it doesn't work out.
If there were such an omnipotent being as your "god" then why would s/he cause/allow pain and suffering to millions of innocent children? No-one has ever been able to tell me that. There is no viable reason. It does no good at all.
Just be nice to each other, because now is all you have. How disappointed you'll be when you find your "next life" doesn't exist! Much like your "god" really! Better to make the most of this one - I guarrantee you, it's real! Cheers!
Rose Apr 08, 2009
Nice, but you missed one: http://jewmanist.com/2007/08/28/amotivational-poster/
:)
John Jones Apr 08, 2009
Wow, excellent collection dude! Well done www.anon-tools.cz.tc
Incognito Apr 08, 2009
I have an MS in applied physics and I believe in God. Are you going to call me ignorant? I have nothing better to do? It seems that you people have nothing better to do than bash organized religion.
The man who cracked the human genome now believes in God. Very interesting read. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article673663.ece
Richard B. Apr 08, 2009
From the sound of this, he already believed in god (no I won't capitalize it). Thus, he thinks the findings of the Human Genome Project support his belief in god. This, however, is a common fallacy, and when conducting research you have to go in having a clear mind and assuming nothing, or your findings will only prove that you have disregarded every other idea and forced your data to fit your pre-conclusion.
While this man is smart, and his work (along with the others at the HGP) is great, he's been brainwashed from a young age (like many children) to believe something, and nothing will prove otherwise until he opens himself to the possibility. Instead, he's dug his heels in, just like every other religious person, and refuses to believe, even for a second, that what they believe in might not be true. Until you do that, you cannot be free of it.
Richard B. Apr 08, 2009
And yes, before anyone says it, it does say he was an atheist until age 27, but no child is an atheist. It is in our nature as children to make gods and superheroes out of those stronger or brighter than ourselves, and to attribute things we do not understand to those individuals. This is why children so willingly believe in god. Combine that with the fact that a vast majority of children are not 'raised atheist', I seriously doubt he did not have some sort of faith before be became an atheist, which he then regressed to seeing something he could not quite grasp.
ely Apr 08, 2009
raised agnostic... no religion was forced on me by my immediate or extended family. Extended family is generally Southern Baptist.
i label myself as agnostic pagan. i view the Gods as a personification of the Divine. They are made in Man's image and in turn we are made in God's image. (I love how the middle easterner man/God, Jesus, turned into a Western European in form and appearance)
The divine is beyond knowing, outside of space, outside of time (something we created). The divine is beyond form, beyond Good, beyond Evil. The divine is everywhere, the Divine is nowhere. The Divine Is, the Divine Is Not.
suggested reading Nietzsche, Zoroastrianism, and Brahma. They are all related. I saw concepts in the Atheist philosophy of Nietzsche that are mirrored in Zoroastrianism and their concept of the Divine (as well as mine) stems from the related concepts of Brahma.
Jeff Apr 13, 2009
Age 27 is not a "child".
Interesting that you challenge what he believed up to the age of 27 instead of just taking his word for what he believed. His beliefs are, after all, "his". What justification do you have for contradicting him?
He may not fit your view of what a "scientist" should believe. So be it. Intelligent people, including scientists, can and do reasonably come to the conclusion that God exists. Francis Collins is one of them.
interesting Apr 08, 2009
I agree that there need not be a "constant war" between science and religion. Though I don't believe there is a god I don't see how discovering the human genome (or any biological, physical or chemical discovery) explicitly means there is no god. We figured it out so by applying the logic(?) of religion to the same idea it is entirely possible that god in fact designed the genome and it is something entirely discoverable.
The idea of god should take more of a central role in the ever going argument between religion and science, not merely his existence. That being recognized more interesting conclusions may be reached.
BoredAfterReadingThis Apr 08, 2009
yawn yawn yawn
fdsa Apr 08, 2009
Creationism poster
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3590/3424046311_cc37b07268_o.jpg
chkno Apr 08, 2009
Three more:
http://notsomotivational.com/?p=2639
http://chkno.net/found/christian-fiction.jpeg
http://chkno.net/found/died-for-our-donuts.jpeg
Phoenix Apr 08, 2009
awesome read. gave me a good laugh. I am spreading it around.
WhyIsThisAnIssue Apr 08, 2009
"...you follow because you are too ignorant to lead, and that is why I and all Athiest are better than you, we think for ourselves, you let others do the thinking for you." Wow. Powerful words. Spoken like a true believer. Turning his hate on those who do not follow his ways. Sounds a lot like a religion to me. And it seems, like in all religions, that you have the extremists who give the rest a bad name.
You Athiests throw stones at the Christians only because there's a little, tiny, shred of doubt in your mind that "What if i'm wrong?". None of us are going to know if we're right or wrong about our personal beliefs until the end. And beliefs are personal. And very much like opinions if you know the reference. Why not each of us have our belief and go about being the good person we each want and need to be. Or is it more important to stand around in groups talking smack about the other guy and feeding off the group dynamic? Maybe work yourself into a lather? Nothing good comes from debating politics or religion. If you're ready to find God, you will. If not, so be it.
I for one refuse to believe that all of this was a string of random events that put us here and that we evolved up from mud. The world, the universe is too grand to be a coincidence. If you feel that you should think so little of yourself and us as a species, then whatever blows your hair back. You should find some solice in the approaching darkness of your pending non-existance as nothing follows. Me, I believe that this is not the end, but just one step on the path to eternity.
Lesa Jun 02, 2009
WhyIsThisAnIssue wrote: "You Athiests throw stones at the Christians only because there's a little, tiny, shred of doubt in your mind that "What if i'm wrong?"."
No, we speak up because there is much in religion that hinders society. It hinders science, it hinders critical thought, it promotes bigotry, and it does its best to base our laws on its doctrines. Not to mention what it does to children who have nightmares of themselves or of those they love suffering for all eternity in a lake of fire, or gays who take their own lives because religion tells them they are an abomination.
Personally, I have nothing against Christians, any more than I have anything against someone with cancer. It's not your fault for having that affliction, but if you don't actively *and honestly* seek answers, you'll be stuck with that affliction for the rest of your life.
Jim Apr 08, 2009
Durr. Efforts like this simply portray atheism as more fundamentalist than fundamentalists. Atheists are thoughtful and intelligent people. This propaganda makes them seem insular, self-satisfied, and dumb. These pictures just scream "I'm a 16 year old internet atheist who makes nasty comments about Jesus to make me seem rebellious!". Yeah super you are really rebellious and shocking.
Eric (Lord of death and the Underworld) S Apr 08, 2009
OMG!!! Reading this bickering is about as hard as believing in god (yes, I'm leaning to the atheist side in this). A lot of these posters are funny and clever and they made me laugh. Mostly creationist, pro-religion etc posters just aren't very funny (sorry it's just the truth, they are usually kinda lame and if you disagree then you're just being difficult). The point is that "atheism" is really just another religious view when argued in such a way as it is here! Albeit the lack of holding a god as omnipotent and all knowing, but a religious view all the same. A true "atheist" if you want to call it that needs not argue their stance at all since THERE IS NO STANCE TO ARGUE!!! I have no time to worry about bibles, churches and how to properly behave. I treat people well, I am thoughtful of the universe as it is the most wondrous and exciting thing beyond our imaginations and I keep an open mind to anything I hear/read/see.
I really cannot say (nor can anyone on alive, on this earth) what happens after death and where (if anywhere but the ground or a little jar) we go. If I should find myself standing in front of some massive golden gates after my demise, faced with a list of my lifelong sins I shall eat my words then and start praying.
Point is, there's not enough time on earth to worry about what everyone else is thinking. If you believe there is a god and heaven and eyeballs, fingernails and juji-fruits were designed by god then by all means go right ahead. If you want to believe we are a random and common occurance throughout the universe then you should pursue that. As long as your beliefs are not forced upon others and you don't demand others go out of their way to respect them there should really be no problems.
btw, there is no god.
ummmmm... Apr 08, 2009
So, just a question.
What if it turns out that in fact Aliens started all life on this planet and it is in fact they that are responsible for everything we know on earth? Would they be this "god" being spoken of?
Also, what is said Aliens in fact thought of earth as some sort of giant, galactic farm and came, knife and fork in hand, ready to eat EVERY LAST HUMAN BEING AND ANIMAL ON THIS PLANET (except pigs of course)??? Would they still be considered god then?
Is god allowed to eat us?
I was just kind of wondering.
somecanuckchick Apr 08, 2009
Hilarious. Really. Thanks! :)
nilky Apr 08, 2009
Yet another one... http://imgur.com/H37H9.jpg
Orfn Apr 08, 2009
You do realize that all that aid money has only made the situation in Africa WORSE right? Trillions of dollars have been wasted so that corrupt officials can continue buying themselves nice cars, fancy clothes, and air-conditioned homes. Pat yourself on the back, you're only damaging the situation by throwing money at it instead of actually finding a solution.
Gwarek2 Apr 08, 2009
Here's a little something something...
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7915/religionr.jpg
pinky214 Apr 08, 2009
Something I read somewhere:
It's natural to think that living things must be the handiwork of a designer. But it was also natural to think that the sun went around the earth. Overcoming naive impressions to figure out how things really work is one of humanity's highest callings.
Our own bodies are riddled with quirks that no competent engineer would have planned but that disclose a history of trial-and-error tinkering: a retina installed backward, a seminal duct that hooks over the ureter like a garden hose snagged on a tree, goose bumps that uselessly try to warm us by fluffing up long-gone fur.
The moral design of nature is as bungled as its engineering design. What twisted sadist would have invented a parasite that blinds millions of people or a gene that covers babies with excruciating blisters? To adapt a Yiddish expression about God: If an intelligent designer lived on Earth, people would break his windows.
The theory of natural selection explains life as we find it, with all its quirks and tragedies. We can prove mathematically that it is capable of producing adaptive life forms and track it in computer simulations, lab experiments and real ecosystems. It doesn't pretend to solve one mystery (the origin of complex life) by slipping in another (the origin of a complex designer).
Many people who accept evolution still feel that a belief in God is necessary to give life meaning and to justify morality. But that is exactly backward. In practice, religion has given us stonings, inquisitions and 9/11. Morality comes from a commitment to treat others as we wish to be treated, which follows from the realization that none of us is the sole occupant of the universe. Like physical evolution, it does not require a white-coated technician in the sky.
-STEVEN PINKER
Tonya Apr 08, 2009
My only question is... why waste all your time arguing with each other trying to win this long standing argument. Christians, live your lives, praise your God and be joyful. Atheists, live it up and stop worrying about that which you should not want to change. Why does it matter to you if someone wants to believe in a Higher Being? All that should matter to you is that you don't. This constant bickering is what causes wars... the need for every side to be proven right. Can't we all just get along? Get a life!!
Marc Smith Apr 08, 2009
thank you =D
Ian Apr 08, 2009
I have to agree with what Scott K said on Dec 13th - if god suddenly showed up i'd have to acknowledged he existed, but i dont think i'd follow him. The god of the bible is not a very nice god. He strikes me more a psychotic petulant child.
For those of you that believe in god let me ask you this - can god lie? He's all powerful right? How do you know he didn't lie to you about any of this? Why would any being that's so loving require us to bow down and worship him or suffer for all eternity? Use your brain for a minute - does that really sound like anything that's all loving?
How do you know religion isn't a test? Maybe there is a god - maybe the bible is even his words. How do you know it's not simply a test to see who is willing to defy the illogical and accept the rational? You cant prove it's not a test since you believe god is all powerful and you cant really know his mind. So maybe all the major religions are just his way of weeding out the people who have evolved to the next level - and everyone else maybe gets to go around the merry go round again until they get it right.
That makes a hell of a lot more sense to me then believing the god of the bible is a good god and someone worth worshiping.
Personally i am agnostic, not athiest. You can neither prove or disprove gods existence. So why bother wasting time on him/her/it? My view is if being a generally good person (helping my friends/family, being generally nice to other people and in general trying to leave the world a little better off then it was ) is not good enough for a god to accept me, then he's really not worth wasting any time on.
If you want to believe someone created all of this - fine. I can understand that and maybe even respect it, even if i dont believe in that myself. But i will not respect anyone who thinks the god of the bible is worth worshipping. You could have someone run around and murder and rape a 1000 people but on his death bed say he's sorry and he gets into heaven, whereas i can run around and help a 1000 people but still refuse to believe, so i should suffer forever? And you think that's a system you should believe in and worship? No - i will not respect that.
Lesa Jun 02, 2009
Ian wrote: "Personally i am agnostic, not athiest."
Actually, you are both, since you have no belief in deities.
See, this is why statistics show there being fewer atheists than there really are. Some atheists won't claim the label because its definition has been skewed and they don't really know what it means (lack of theism, that's all), while others know what it means but refuse to use the label because others will misunderstand what it means.
You don't have to deny the existence of gods to be an atheist. Lack of belief is enough.
I agree with the sentiments in much of your post, Ian, but we can't just ignore religion, unfortunately. Just as we need doctors to cure illnesses, we need to speak up to keep religion from spreading, infecting our politics, trying to force its way into science class, causing people to commit suicide and/or kill others, emotionally abusing children, etc. As the saying goes, evil thrives where good men (or women) do nothing.
Children these days are less religious than they were a generation ago, thanks to people speaking up and educating others. We need to keep it up while we have that momentum going.
Evan Apr 08, 2009
"why waste all your time arguing with each other trying to win this long standing argument"
Why? Because, if the way we teach our children and progress as a society is dependent on Christian ideas that evolution is a crock and that in fact there is no need to explain what we see (as we can always just say "God did it" if we cant figure it out) then how can progress possibly be made? The only way we progress is by taking something and analyzing it. Take the light bulb for example. A great invention, i think everyone agrees. Would the light bulb have been invented if no one ever considered that maybe "the candle isn't the best way to produce light". And once the light bulb was invented did we just stop trying to improve and make it better? What could possibly be done to such a perfect invention? Well we could use more than 25% of the energy to make light for starters (thus the invention of fluorescent light bulb). Will we stop there in improving this idea? Certainly not. Then why, i must ask you, should we not challenge things so that they work better, are more efficient and further progress rather than restrain it? Just as sun gods and gods of harvest were analyzed and revamped to fit with knowledge, so should the modern religions. I'm not just talking Christianity here, but all religions, religions that lead to things like terrorist attacks, religions that lead to not allowing things like stem cell research, ones that prevent freedom, nearly every religion in fact could stand to be re-evaluated. So that is my answer to why we must argue this (although it would be in the best interest of everyone to keep it civil).
I myself am not an atheist. The best way to describe me would be to say that i am an agnostic. I have gone to a catholic/Christian school my entire life and i have learned in my own time about other religions like Buddhism, Hinduism, Muslim, etc. (I have learned at least some about all the "major" religions) Through this study i realize that perhaps everyone worshiping/believing in the same thing. Whether you believe in one god, two, or seven, you are using these gods as a way to explain the unknown. So really you believe in explanations. Why then should you not, instead of creating a puzzle piece to fill in the gap, go find the puzzle piece? Atheists believe that they can find all the answers through science, theists believe that they can find all the answers in God. We all have to have faith in something, why not in what can progress us all as human beings rather than something that slows our progress.
BillyWarhol Apr 09, 2009
very well said!
Lesa Jun 02, 2009
"Why then should you not, instead of creating a puzzle piece to fill in the gap, go find the puzzle piece?"
I love that, Evan. Excellent way to put it. :)
Joshua Apr 08, 2009
Ok, so the playing field seems to be quite large here, so I'll give my own 2 cents. I definitely believe in an omnipotent, omnipresent "IT" (I don't say God because, let's face it, with all of the religions out there, who's to say what name is to be used?) One of my favorite quotes is, "...(God) is too big of a concept to fit into one religion." If everyone would just stop bashing one another about who's right and who's wrong, and accept that there are always going to be more questions than answers, then we would have an extremely better world to live in. I have studied a great number of belief systems, and if I had to stick to one, my most closely matched would be Buddhism. Although I don't believe in tying myself into one system, I prefer a more broad approach to this subject. I designed my own ideas based on what I've seen, read, and understand, and so far, I live a comfortable life. I guess you would call me "Spiritual" and not "Religious".
We all live our own lives, and it's nobody's place to judge anyone else based on their beliefs. In the Early Christian Era, and leaked all the way down, doesn't almost all forms of the Bible say that Man was given freedom of choice? Then why try to take that away from someone else if they so choose to use it?
I think people need to treat others with respect and decency, and to each his/her own.
drew clark Apr 08, 2009
To be honest I think both religion and science can have the same positive and negative effects on people and society. On one hand we have religion: each one of them gives people something to believe in, because religion knows that this factor will keep us humans going somehow. It's inevitable, religious or atheist, that at some point we ask ourselves the Big Questions: "why are we here? where will we go? how did we get here? etc....
these questions drive us, make us live and learn. Life is also full of grief at times and most religious books are just full of common sense, giving us indications on how to lead a life the best way possible for us and those around us. Don't steal, don't lie, don't hurt, forgive, understand even when you think it's wrong.... these rules work. The problem with religion is that a bunch of fanatics have taken advantage of the above mentioned questions and played with peoples faith, specially when they were feeling the most vulnerable.... when they were looking around themselves asking: "what the f***ed happened and why?". In those moments you'll be certain to believe anything that gives you hope that life isn't so shit after all.
on the other hand you have atheism. the rejection of an existence of any form of God, or deity. Fair enough. I'm very much like St. Thomas, I believe in what I see or even more what I touch. and I have to say I'm very happy with that. Travel around the world and what you see and hear and feel can be extremely beautiful and sublime to not need a God to believe that life can be beautiful and changes for our well being can be done. I think that lacking faith in a God is easily done and can lead to a much freer life, therefore a life bound to develop and evolve more than one that isn't. Where I think a problem lies, is that most atheists, having chosen or just simply not believing in God, find that science and technology are our solutions. Science will lead us to space, science will give us great technology... But to what use?
Science spends so much of its time trying to cure all our diseases..... people rely on science, almost like religious people rely on God... they both have given us a fake hope. The world will never be disease free, there will always be something that will affect our health and science isn't actually making it better rather making it worse. What doesn't kill us here (i.e. a flu) will kill a tribesman in the jungle... probably many cultures still alive of which we don't know to much of, have fought disease like cancer and HIV in their own way, who knows how many have developed the immunity to them. Science strives to know the unknown, to discover space,and we still haven't finished to discover our planet.... there is a very high percentage of rainforest that we haven't discovered as such, and lets not forget, we are destroying it already....
when we learn maths at school... you need to study sums, multiples, subtractions and all that before you can solve an algebra equation. How is science going to answer anything if it's not dealing with the main issues. Unfortunately, we will never be supermen, no matter how much ultracool things will be created, we will just look like x-men. at the end of the day we are animals, we are here for a certain amount of time, we need to eat, drink, sleep, keep fit, breath, and take care of ourselves. We live and WE DIE. and this is where for me all of it lies, DEATH....
so many of us are just scared of it, science and religion are just not being honest. Some of us are or will be weakened in our lives, some of us will die young and some won't. we should stop trying to fix it. People think that we are different from animals because we have feelings. we are still animals. (and that doesn't mean animals don't have feelings, who will ever know, really!) By me taking my Hiv meds I'm giving myself hope, constant hope. Is that really good for me? wouldn't acceptance be a good thing to remember too. Science gives Hiv people the thought of having their own children :"OH, well, science nowadays can wash the Hiv virus out out of the sperm a certain percentage of the time".... why would you put any percentage of risk on the life of your daughter or son.
essentially we are greedy and foolish.... we focus on all the wrong things sometimes, atheists and religious. Most of you have spent time arguing on who is right and who is wrong, the believers or the non believers.... which one will lead to a faster evolution of the human being
the only thing that will help us evolve and grow is the belief in eachother, the belief in love and friendship, the belief of unity within deifference. There is no right and no wrong, there just is!!!
and till people don't realise this, nothing will be solved, the day a natural disaster will wipe out our planet, our land or home you won't have God nor an i-phone to help, your gonna wish you have even your grumpy and smelly neighbour to hold hands with just to know that you are not alone asking that question: "what the f***ed happened and why?"!!
Lesa Jun 02, 2009
drew clark wrote: "on the other hand you have atheism. the rejection of an existence of any form of God, or deity."
Atheism = Lack of theism.
SOME atheists will deny the existence of gods, just like SOME four-legged animals are cats. But not all four-legged animals are cats, just as one doesn't need to deny the existence of gods in order to be an atheist.
I fit the label of atheist, simply because I am not convinced by theist claims. Likewise, I also fit the label of agnostic, because I don't claim to know whether or not some 'IT' exists ... although I will say a 'HE' or 'SHE' seems far too improbable to even consider, as any sentient creator -- with a gender, at that! -- would have to be too irreducibly complex to exist without a creator, who would also need a creator, ad infinitum. ;)
cOwMoO Apr 08, 2009
Some atheists are motivated by empathy and compassion, some by greed and selfishness, this has nothing to do with being an atheist.
I could also say some people with green shoes are motivated by empathy and compassion, some by greed and selfishness.
Motivation and religion are simply not connected for an atheist.
For a theist on the other hand, the two are connected (to varying degrees between followers) and this can and has spelled disaster many times.
There is also an inherent lack of assumed responsibility with theism, as theists feel they are doing the work of a god, thus abstaining from accepting responsibility, again this causes massive problems.
Why not do away with the whole thing and simply blame people for their actions?
"Good men will do good deeds, and evil men will do evil deeds, but for good men to do evil, it takes religion"
Rebecca Apr 08, 2009
"When I was still trying to find truth in religion and mysticism my life was much more defined by these things. When I accepted a more elegant model of the world I became defined by own reasoning and observations, rather than the parroted justifications of other people's faith."
For 'more elegant' read: 'Easier. (I got sick of choosing between theories that other people put forward for the meaning of life and, forgetting to then use my OWN brain to address the question of God, decided to make a series of posters making fun of other people. It felt right.)'
Mike Apr 08, 2009
haha thanks for putting this together! its awesome.... I work in a place covered in christian motivational posters.. i only wish i could post some of these up in my office without being fired...
Sepehr Apr 09, 2009
I'm a Persian Atheist.That is awesome page.
All of the religious people believe god because THINKING IS HARD and god is HOLLY !!!!!
Bob Apr 09, 2009
Why go out of your way to attack a religion ?
Healthy debate is one thing, but these crass posters just show the creators feel threatened by the idea of God and accountability to something higher then their own convictions.
You can run, but you can't hide from truth. Hopefully you will listen to what's written in your hearts eventually. Don't run forever.
nope Apr 09, 2009
Most of those scientist lived in an age where a disbelief in god made one extremely uncomfortable/persecuted/put to death. Nowadays the majority of scientists and the well educated, ~70% according to the last poll I saw, are atheists, Coincidence?
BillyWarhol Apr 09, 2009
These are all Hilarious!! ;)) Be even Funnier if they weren't so TRUE!
All ya can do is Laff!!
Iron Gigus Apr 09, 2009
I do like how most of the comments on here, even from god-fearing peoples, are rather intelligent. That's very refreshing to here from some of you.
SMeech Apr 09, 2009
Listen you can't just say things as if they are true. Please provide citations.
According to wikipedia, Einstein viewed himself as an agnostic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein#Religious_views
Id Cris Apr 09, 2009
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."
- Albert Einstein
Redalert Apr 10, 2009
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." - Albert Einstein
Both can be applicable to the theist and atheist, happens when one is fixated, failed to comprehend his true significance and fully realized his potential.
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If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
Id Cris Apr 09, 2009
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."
- Albert Einstein
Redalert Apr 10, 2009
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." - Albert Einstein
Both can be applicable to the theist and atheist, when one is fixated, failed to comprehend his worth and fully realized his potential.
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If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
Vandad Apr 09, 2009
What is it: is man only a blunder of God,
or God only a blunder of man?
Friedrich Nietzsche (Twilight of the Idols)
Ryan Apr 09, 2009
Who would be so shallow and low to help someone just because they believe god will reward them for it? Elephants help injured elephants. If elephants can do it without religion then why cant we? Many of our "morals" are innate. No superstition is needed to help someone. And if people help someone because there religion encourages them to, that says nothing about whether the belief system is true.
lunartrik Apr 09, 2009
Theres alot of stuff in this universe that people do not understand.
Modern scientific knowledge appears to be fractal, with each discovery opening up progressive layers of new research to infinatum.
"God" exists in the margins between our knowledge and the "truth" of reality, be that the knowledge we had thousands of years age or the knowledge of the present day.
The greater our knowledge the greater our abilty to define god and our relationship.
I Know that people should accept that everyone has to travel there own path in life in the important things,athiest fundamentalist or somewhere between the two extremes.
I personally find Bible quoters reasonably irratiting because the bible can be used to justify nearly any activity, contradicts itself in a ridiculous amount of places and has been edited, translated and modified so much that to claim its as a direct word of god is just wrong.
Extreme atheiests are more amusing because of the creative quotes they plagarise to support there positions, and because they are good with the intuhweb.
Jesus Apr 09, 2009
Can one of you religious freaks answer to the Epicurus quote in the posters?
god Apr 09, 2009
its time i clear this all up. i do exist. and i encourage everyone to molest children and kill each other. in my name. amen.
Sean Sanford Apr 09, 2009
If gods not real and this life is our only one, whats to stop us from doing everything morally wrong just to further our own joy?
I'll tell you. People only do what they think is right. Hitler thought it was right to exterminate the Jews and the people who instigated 9/11 thought they were doing the right thing. I could go on and on about people doing things they thought were right, but it all boils down to your social upbringing. Society is what tells us what's moral and immoral, not some ancient text (unless you live in a theocratic dictatorship). Your own moral code is based on your social experiences growing up. Friends, family, neighbors, the media, the community, your church. Everything around us influences our view of whats right and wrong. Not God. Now me personally, I have nothing against religion, but organized religion is the biggest scam in the history of mankind. All organized religion has done for mankind is rob them of their money and lives. The bible even tells us we're sheep and and God is our shepherd. If you do not give to the church you are damned to burn in hell. I dunno about you but that sounds like an organization that's trying to control me.
If God is truly omniscient, omnipotent, kind and benevolent then I think you'll go to heaven for just being a good person, not for accepting Jesus and/or going to church every Sunday. Since God sees everything I do and is everywhere I go, it seems kinda redundant to go to church and repent seeing as I could do it in the comfort of my own home.
My ideology leans more towards atheistic agnostisism because, I have never experienced anything divine, the most atrocious acts in history were carried out in the name of religion and science is my main belief system. If you can give me solid proof, an actual scientific theory on the existence of God I'll change my opinion. But until then the ball's in your court theists.
Michael Apr 09, 2009
Scott,
I am very thankful for the compilation of posters... that my friend was some very funny stuff. Hope you don't mind, but I'd like to link to you from my blog.
Cheers,
Michael
EVOLUCIEN1 Apr 09, 2009
Thanks for the posters...I can't wait to show them to my friends at work. We are the minority where we work and we get pretty sick of the holy rollers always wearing their Jesus merit badges, etc.
I recently returned from Istanbul and these posters reinforced what I sifted from the history there: religion was/is a bloody, cruel affair. My biggest frustration with organized religion are the interpretations. 1 1 in religion can add up to 44 gallons for one and 3 to the other follower...similarly to how politicians gratuitously use vague words like "justice", "freedom" and "respect"...religion pollutes reason, thus creating emotional, rather than logical reactions. Worst of all, religion tends to attract and promote people with mental health disorders.
OptToMiss Apr 09, 2009
I think it's wrong, in general, to persecute anyone on the basis of their beliefs(or lack thereof). Let actions have consequences-not thoughts.
That being said, I don't hear of anymore atrocities being committed by Atheists then I do Christians. If Atheism is 'so' immoral why don't we hear more about massive atheistic crime sprees? There's a significant enough number that if Atheists had no moral compass crime rates would be a lot higher.
Moonlitdances Apr 09, 2009
Ha, loved it even though I'm not an Atheist.
Though some of those commenting( for all their proclamations of being intelligent and caring people with a moral compass) seem quite closed minded and have an undeniable need to persecute a belief that is not their own and the Christians aren't doing much better.
Try and play nice guys, to you we may all be primitives who worship something that isn't there, but there are a few of us who respect your views and see science as an extension of a greater unknown we'd all like to know more about....also we're biding our time for when the right motivation posters come along to make fun of you :P
Cameron Apr 09, 2009
This.
Perfect example of why wars start
Fighting over beliefs. Getting angry and aggravated over something some people choose not to believe.
Baptized Catholic, Catholic elementary, Catholic middle, and Catholic highschool, got to college, realized that religion is a bogus and a ploy to control society.
Stop believing when my mom suffered for 3 years with cancer. Don't come on here and tell me it was Gods plan to have her suffer, BULL****, it was cancer that took her, not Gods plan.
Religion = bogus
But the people that do believe....keep believing, it gives you peace of mind, so therefore its not my business, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Taylor Apr 09, 2009
The movie Zeitgeist may help many of you "believers."
Stephanie Apr 10, 2009
It's sad how people rely on religion to make things better.
Stephanie Apr 10, 2009
Believe what you believe, go ahead, I'm not stopping you. Don't get mad when someone says they don't believe. And what's the point of saying, "You have to have faith in something". Why? I don't understand.
Tom Apr 10, 2009
It's easier and more disappointing than you would like:
"You have to have faith in something" sounds mysteriously and is supposed to make you interested in what this "something" is. Because nobody really KNOWS, what this something is, but nobody wants to be stupid not understanding, what this something is, disappointing amount of people just make something up in their mind! Now they have something! And it feels really good for some mystical reason.. so now they think that EVERYBODY has to have this "something" to believe in. But most people are too sane to make something like that up in their minds. For those people there are nice stories about amazing divine guys. But because everybody has different "something", all the stories about this something have to be vague and nondescript avoiding describing this something to not contradict with all the possible somethings. So everybody can go on feeling good for really nothing.
I don't want to say that it's wrong to make people feel good. But I really think it's pointless to be able to feel bood about your stupidity.
It's TOTALLY OK to not understand this statement. It just means you are sane person. You don't have to beat yourself up because of it! Enjoy it while it lasts! It may pass..
Mark Apr 10, 2009
Religion is based on faith and assumption (created to help us understand reality and live happily).
Science is based on theory and the scientific method (manmade belief systems created to help us understand reality and live happily)
Human beings will always have differing beliefs. The only way to make peace in this world is for all of us to acknowledge and accept that.
Tom Apr 10, 2009
So what's new in the bible in last .. few hundred years?
Just asking because this science-belief thing is making up new stuff every day. So let's accept that some people stop learning new stuff, because they already know everything they will ever need to know.. and your statement will make perfect sense!
John Apr 10, 2009
The problem with this is that, although by any measure of stated importance helping poor and injured the theist make us look bad, when you measure who is actually helping the poor and underprivileged the most it turns out to be the secularist.
For the theist perspective see:
Poll: Atheists less likely to 'do good www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=26675
For the secular perspective (and what's wrong with above presumptions):
Religious Doctors No More Likely To Care For Underserved Patients www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070731085614.htm
Note that bpnews overstates their case while sciencedaily understates theirs in the headlines. And yes, even the author said it was both a surprise and a disappointment. Only I wasn't surprised, I've researched this issue from many different angles.
Natalie Apr 10, 2009
Loved it, thanks!
mansi Apr 10, 2009
love it to no ends.
Stupid Idea Apr 11, 2009
"And missionaries don't do it just for the reward, it comes from the love of their fellow man. Which granted is the same reason others that aren't Christian do it. To do a good work for the reward is hypocritical and wrong for ANY person regardless of faith or lack thereof."
So if people (Christians and athiets alike) do good deeds just because they want to help others, then we can say that it has nothing to do with religion, right?
Agreed. The desire to do good comes from within, not from any particular relgion.
Stupid Idea Apr 11, 2009
Oops, posted this in the wrong spot.
Drawde Apr 11, 2009
Dude, where can i find the hi-res version of those pictures?
I'm interesting to print one of them.
Thanks anyway.
Greetings from Indonesia
Joni Ruhs Apr 11, 2009
The Pope picture is the best!
Marc Apr 11, 2009
First off, I have no problem with religion. worship what you want, its your life. from an imaginary friend to a rock in your backyard it makes no difference to me (until you try to convert me in which case i will squash you like a bug)
Second, i was raised Catholic, and did extensive research on various branches of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Taoism, Daoism, Muslim and Buddhist religions before deciding to be an atheist.
All religions have their flaws (without exception). but to stick to Christianity, since thats where most of the focus is:
your religion (or branches there of) has caused more deaths over the course of history than ANY other factor.
I realize these are extremists in recent history, and uneducated in the past... but the fact still remains.
that, and ponder this a bit will ya?
You are following a belief (which can be defined as a vague idea in which some confidence is placed) of a group of uneducated, primitive humans.
and while they THOUGHT that god existed, they KNEW (with no doubt whatsoever) that the earth was flat.
The bible is just a nice story book filled with good morals.
I obviously have no proof that your god does not exist, it is merely my BELIEF. Your free to have your own, and i dont have to understand it. but until the extremists and crazies calm down or get put down, you will always be under attack by non-believers who suffer as a result.
mew4ever23 Apr 13, 2009
Indeed. The Bible is NOT the word of God. It is the words of MEN about god, and quoting it cannot help prove points, especially if said quotes are taken out of context.
S reply Apr 12, 2009
"Do you happen to have any scientific means able to read the heart of those religious people that you seemed inclined to construe their actions as reward motivated and not out of sincere compassion and love?"
And do you have any religious means to explain why the non-religious do good for others? Listen, I'm not saying that all religious people help others because of religion, but the first comment that I replied to was stating just that. I'm just saying that people shouldn't need religion as the reason for helping and giving to the world. And by the way, it is psychologically proven that people help others for a selfish internal satisfaction- which in turn is rewarding for both sides.
"I wish you can satisfy his curiosity when your nephew asked where we all came from, justifying the mathematical probability that all what we see living now first came from non living."
My nephew knows all versions of creation and scientific explanations for life (probably better than most people do); he simply chose the one that made the most sense, the one that continues to expand, explore, and make breakthroughs. He stopped believing in Santa Claus a few years back (to partly relate back to this page).
P.S. The apple doesn't far from the tree.
Jepthah sacrifices his only daughter because he gave his "word to God," and Abraham almost sacrifices his son to prove his dedication to God, and not to mention Jesus who sacrifices himself. But since those are in the Bible, of course they're not disturbing.
Jenny Apr 12, 2009
I believe we are all here for a reason, that we have a purpose. I believe we are here to grow and learn, to become more aware of who we are and why are here. I believe in free will. I don't believe in coincidences.
For me life is like a maze. It's like I'm a mouse in a maze and I'm looking for the cheese. Sometimes I take a wrong turn and get to a dead end. Sometimes I get really close only to take another wrong turn and end up at another dead end. If and when I (hopfully!) get to the cheese I have found my life purpose - I may, for example, realise that my current career is not the one for me and I quit even though the money was excellent and I start a job that I've always dreamed of doing or maybe I finally decide to end a bad relationship that was going nowhere, these decisions will all take me closer to my true purpose. We make the wrong choices because we have free will and sometimes we let our fear guide us.
I believe it is very important to trust our instincts. We should all develop that aspect of ourselves. Some people do this through organised religion, others opt for a more independent option. Whatever you choose make sure you listen to your instincts. Don't let a religion control you and tell you what to think and likewise don't let your atheist beliefs cloud your instincts either. Trust in them, they are always right.
And finally, although I can see some of the humor in the above posters, I find them quite distasteful. It is the kind of thing that will just give atheism a bad name. Not a smart thing to do in my humble opinion.
S reply Apr 12, 2009
I, honestly, just really didn't think they were that funny.
Kodanshi Apr 12, 2009
I found this one:
http://i40.tinypic.com/f9dsvm.jpg
eidolon413 Apr 24, 2009
Out of everything I have seen here, this made me laugh the most! Thank you!
boo Apr 13, 2009
god is holly. red dwarf.
Debar Apr 13, 2009
Yo,
First off Im agnostic, these were entertaining, but most of them just state the same things over and over. and Ive seen them on multiple other sites, sites which also posted the anti-atheism motivational posters, I obviously see your stance but I do believe its a little unfair. Heres my thoughts on religion & atheism (dont bother responding I will probably never come back here, I just stumbled on it anyways)
A) Prayer is not useless, but prayer without action is evil. A study of people meditating to reduce crime in Washington is supposed to have actually reduced crime by about 23% (the murder rates stayed about the same but other crime went down) Meditation is very similar to praying, except more introverted instead of extroverted.
B) Religion is not the cause of war or destruction, or any of these things, they have been around far longer than organized religions have exsisted and to think that religion is the only cause of such things is silly. Religion is normally a "reason" for the uneducated masses for why we go to war, but in actually most organized religions teach peace, or peace was in their original message, it is the fanatics who derange it for their own personal benefit.
C) Science and Religion should have nothing against each other, one is a philosophical view on life and the other is a method for expanding our intelligence as a species.
D) Epicurus was an idiot, I have not personally studied him, but from that single quote of his he acts like if there were some kind of great divine being that this being would stop death and pestilence and all the "bad" things in the world, but this goes on to a deeper philosophical understanding of what is "good?" The fact is that good and bad are just terms which we use to point at things we do and dont like.
E) Final argument that the Christian Dark ages somehow caused the collapse of the roman empire and thus the collapse of all roman technology is completely historically inaccurate. In fact just the opposite is true. Its true that the roman empire did fall, but it wasn't Christians who caused this, it was the Goths, a group of tribesmen who were held under Roman sway and eventually rose up to sack Rome and move on to Spain where they converted to Christianity and became known as the Visigoths. Also by this point Rome itself had already converted to Christianity. Another thing is that writing was kept by Irish monks, allowing scripts & other documents to survive the fall of Rome. completely debunking the idea that Christianity somehow holds people back.
In finality its true that some fanatical religious views hold people back, but so do fanatical atheistic views, or any kind of fanatical view, I mean you spend so much time debating on a forum about whether God exists or not and in the end it is a moot point, get out and live your damn lives, if you wish to be religious then be religious, if you wish to not believe in god then don't. Unless someone physically tries to stop you from living your life then you shouldn't need to argue. But Im making too much sense, carry on debating.
GOD May 20, 2011
If you haven't studied Epicurus, then maybe you shouldn't call him an idiot. He set up a postulate for good and evil before his questioning of a moral/omnipotent creator.
He said that pleasure was the sole intrinsic good and can be reached through modesty and kindness. Pain was evil to Epicurus.
Although Epicurus didn't believe in a creator, he did in fact believe in Gods. So all of the blind atheists should maybe pick up the philosophy book they're quoting like many Christians should pick up the Bible.
Epicurus' gods were comprised of atoms like all things in the universe, but they were unattached to the human existence.
Just thought you'd like to know, it's pretty interesting actually.
mew4ever23 Apr 13, 2009
OK, first off, I was not raised religious, I did not, and do not, go to church (honestly, I have better things to do with my Sunday), and I went to public school.
Honestly, most of the comments I see for this article I see people pressing people to believe what they believe with bible quotes taken out of their proper context that, in their context, have no meaning. This is morally wrong, and the people doing it should be ashamed of themselves. There is absolutely no reason for religious people to be angry at Atheists. Freedom of speech, freedom of thought.
mew4ever23 Apr 13, 2009
PS: [url = " http://steamcommunity.com/groups/traingod"]ALL HAIL THE TRAIN GOD![/url]
meeper Apr 14, 2009
You shouldn't need religion in order to do good things.
MJM Apr 15, 2009
here's a poster" http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/motivator6335772-1?context=user
guest Apr 16, 2009
epicurus lived ~300 BC...
sasquatch Apr 16, 2009
Nice man lol
Atheist Nation Apr 17, 2009
Join the League of Reason
Madafakin Apr 18, 2009
GUWNO
Joel Apr 19, 2009
We created God. Don't see god as a being, god is a concept (I am only trying to explain my point, not trying to insult you in any way). We try to explain things we don't understand by making up a god. I don't know if Christians refer to a god like a part of us which represents something "good". What I only see is Christians talking about Jesus like a Santa.
I also think we should try to know humanity on it. gotta go. will finish this later.
Redalert Apr 20, 2009
Man is naturally spiritual in nature thus religion in any form ain't going nowhere. And while godless people keep poking fun on everything that represent religion, just like science, religion is maturing too.
Atheist Demotivators Apr 21, 2009
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3UXl0oMYPLs/SYH_7PE3rVI/AAAAAAAAAGY/jYXlDp7X5bc/s1600-h/consensus.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3UXl0oMYPLs/SX9XBmM_21I/AAAAAAAAAGQ/xmzuTiND8ac/s1600-h/NoTrueAtheist.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3UXl0oMYPLs/SXZHIRt_oKI/AAAAAAAAAFw/j6kmhIdEQTI/s1600-h/ATHEIST+LOGIC.jpg
Atheist Demotivators Apr 21, 2009
Can I not type a 'plus sign'?
Scott Klarr Apr 25, 2009
Sorry about that; it has been fixed. I wrote this site from scratch and forgot to take into consideration the effects of a plus sign when dealing with ajax.
Barry Apr 21, 2009
It's a sad fact that in today's society people who don't believe in God (otherwise known as atheists) are likely to be discriminated against. Of course, there are many different concepts of God, and I'm sure there's some concept of God we can all feel comfortable about believing in. I mean, if you want to define "God" as an immaterial being that created the universe and has had no interaction with it or us ever since and that has nothing to do with defining morality and that doesn't expect us to worship or fear or obey it or even acknowledge it in any way, then sure, why the heck not...
http://www.cafepress.com/barrysworld/3053183
Jonny Apr 21, 2009
Everything boils down to nothing if you leave it on the stove long enough. This is the sort of discussion where that is the only real conclusion you can come to.
EthanAnarchy Apr 22, 2009
So. Yeah. I'm in 11th grade. i dont understand everything you guys say. but i can say.. if thre's a god... what created him? lol.
EthanAnarchy Apr 22, 2009
like really. religion leaves it at. god created the universe. the what created him really? science has no loose ends. everything can be explained. besides, i prefer to think there isn't an all powerful being who has the balls to watch people suffer and go through hell, so to speak, without doing a damn thing. When you can tell me how your "amazing god" can be so great, WHILE watching innocent people perish and disease spread, THEN i will believe you.
Lesa Jun 02, 2009
Well-reasoned, Ethan. :)
Joel Apr 23, 2009
Read "I don't have enough FAITH to be an athiest" by Norman L Geisler and Frank Turek. It's an amazing book that will really make you think. it is a hard read tho.
Scott Klarr Apr 25, 2009
If you read a book of my choosing, I will read that one. I have already read reviews and rebuttals to the content contained within so I pretty much already know what is in the pages of that book, but I will bother reading it if, like I said, you will read a book of my choosing. I don't know if you will even see this comment, but if you are interested you can email me or reply here.
Joel K Apr 23, 2009
oh and God is infinite. he deosn't have a begining. He created the universe with a thought. Ever since Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden, there has been sin. sin caused disease, pain, evil. God is not responsible for your actions, YOU are. you have a free will. you dont have to go out and, say mug someone for their money. but you also dont have to go out and give to the poor.
Scott Klarr Apr 25, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRCEr2JlqPw
John May 06, 2009
Have you ever stopped and listened to yourself? The absurdity in what you're saying is baffling.
Sean Apr 27, 2009
God disproof: VELOCIRAPTORS
Logic 1, Religion 0
Barry Apr 30, 2009
A bunch of additional atheist motivational posters can be found at the following site:
http://www.cafepress.com/theatheist
BMW41 Apr 30, 2009
Religion is just peoples' perception of what will happen after death or what we believe we originated from. I believe that religion was formed from the elderly, close to death, to have something comforting to lie on before they lose all their senses and die. Religion is just the cushion to help us endure the inevitable fate we all will experience.
We all are animals. We all have hearts, brains, muscles, nerves, etc. that all species have. I do not understand why we are believing that we are one some higher ground than other species. Eagles have a heightened sense of sight; dogs have heightened sense of smell; it's just that humans acquired the ability to think better than other species. But that shouldn't be the reason why we separate ourselves from them. If you agree, then answer me this: Why do we believe that humans are the center of everything in the universe - our families, our societies, our world? Why do we believe that this infinitesimal world with one "super-smart and superior" species is the center of the whole universe? Have any of you taken into account how small the earth is compared to the solar system alone? And may I remind you that Earth is infinitesimal to our own star itself? And also notice that the sun is small as fuck compared to other stars in our galaxy alone. The solar system is one out of hundreds of billions in a single galaxy and hundreds of billions of galaxies in the universe. Hmm... has it ever occurred to you how small our single planet is? So why do we think we are that important?
We are not, and neither are the religions we make up.
David May 05, 2009
There's no point in arguing with religious people. No matter what logic you use, it won't work. The whole argument has destroyed itself from the start, because you're not arguing with people who value logic and reason. You're arguing with religious people. No matter what the argument is, there's no point. They have an answer for everything, because they can just make it up. Because they can make things up that they will honestly believe, and they will be at rest and satisfied that there are no inconsistencies in the universe.
Sometimes I envy them for that. Here I am, using logic, reason, science, actually working to ensure that I have a full understanding of how things work, of how things should work, of how the universe operates, and all along there are those who don't have to raise a single finger, because they can make up whatever they want to and honestly believe that it solves the issue. Even if there is proof against religion, proof of evolution, paradoxical proofs against an all-knowing and all-powerful sentient being, relativistic paradoxes about sending information faster than light being impossible, destroying any possibility for anything to be "all-knowing", no matter what proof or evidence you use, there's no point. Logic is the work of the devil. Fossils are the work of the devil. Relativity is the work of the devil. Mathematical proof is the work of the devil. When "faith" is involved, there's always an answer, and it always serves whatever belief you want it to. That's the genius of religion and the ultimate power of faith. And that's why it's so difficult to argue against.
So there's no point. Give it a rest, guys, go have a beer or something.
Set May 06, 2009
It's funny people say the "crazy" examples of people doing "God's work" (such as killing their children) are made up by the people. Yet, the bible itself and all its stories, etc, which are also "God's work", or word, or whatever, just AREN'T made up! It's so simple! If it's good, it's true, if not, no way! It's selective ignorance. Stop choosing to be naive.
The argument of missionaries doing work being better than other work, and helping because they want to not because of heaven is mute. It's all relative. In my honest opinion, I don't think it's helpful AT ALL to go to underdeveloped countries and teach people a religion and tell them it's the truth and it will save them! That's terrible. So your "work", in some opinions (at least mine), is detrimental because it takes from the constructive lives some people are TRYING to live, and leads them on a path of religious following that they don't even get a opportunity to fully explore. And the most disgusting thing is that they are told "if you know this and do not follow it, you will go to hell and never see your family again after you die." Wow, such thoughtless love missionaries show! Join the Peace Corps.
The problem for us atheists is that we wouldn't care if people were religious, but it encroaches on every aspect of life EVERY day. People bother you about religion. People judge based on religion. People vote for presidents that LEAD OUR COUNTRY because of religion, rather than politics. People kill, steal, hate, hijack planes, and manipulate because of religion.
No one is saying SOME religious people don't do good things, plenty do, but it's just as easy to do good things without it. We all enjoy other people and helping and appreciation, it's the reason for all of it. But religion is the NEVER ENDING, IRREFUTABLE, BLIND, CARELESS excuse for a lot of the BAD things people actually do. Without religion it's hard to see much reason for some of those "crazy" examples, other than the people are crazy! People do bad no matter why, let's not give the bad people a scapegoat.
John May 06, 2009
Leviticus 25:44-46
"The servants you have, men and women, shall come from the nations round you; from these you may PURCHASE servants, men and women. You may also purchase them from the children of the strangers who live among you, and from their families living with you who have been born on your soil. THEY SHALL BE YOUR PROPERTY and you may LEAVE THEM AS AN INHERITANCE TO YOUR SONS after you, TO HOLD IN PERPETUAL POSSESSION. THESE YOU MAY HAVE FOR SLAVES; but to your brothers, the sons of Israel, you must not be hard masters."
Is this Commandment of Slavery an example of your benevolent god's Will?
Rick Lawson May 08, 2009
Like Mark Twain said, "Religion is believing in what you know ain't so"
mehdi May 12, 2009
realy i enjoy.
i love this pic.
the god if able chenge this picture with religion picture!
can god make heavy rock that he can,t move it? yes or no!!!!
dustin May 12, 2009
WOW lots of comments!! How bout this one: Atheism, we know that science books, theories, and what we absolutely know to be true, changes every few years, but really we got it figured out this time, we are positive!! Matter of fact were so sure of ourselves that were going to make fun of everyone elses beliefs.
Sam May 13, 2009
Fail. Catholicism is not polytheism, sorry.
I do think it's slightly amusing (but probably more pathetic) that so much is being said about this topic. Atheists and believers are fundamentally in opposition, and nothing is going to change that. Some atheists think that religion is for people with the inability to think for themselves - that's cool. Some people of faith believe that atheists are bound for hell - well, that's cool too. At the end of the day, nothing anyone says will convince a true atheist to start believing in God, nor will it miraculously make a Christian/Muslim/Jew see the error of his/her ways.
It's a moot argument, and it has been since the moment it was conceived.
Scott Klarr Aug 13, 2009
>> At the end of the day, nothing anyone says will convince a true atheist to start believing in God, nor will it miraculously make a Christian/Muslim/Jew see the error of his/her ways.
Not entirely true. There are people who convert both ways after hearing arguments they may not have considered before.
Jester May 14, 2009
Melvin Snerdley May 18, 2009
Atheism is based just as much on the faith that there is no God as the Believer's faith that there IS a God. It's all about Faith, dude. If atheism makes you happy, then so be it. But don't insist on it being the Truth, because you must might be wrong.
Lesa Jun 02, 2009
Melvin Snerdley wrote: "Atheism is based just as much on the faith that there is no God as the Believer's faith that there IS a God. It's all about Faith, dude. If atheism makes you happy, then so be it. But don't insist on it being the Truth, because you must might be wrong."
You're basing your whole argument on a misconception, Melvin. Atheism is merely the LACK of belief, which is quite often based on a lack of evidence. Other times, it may be based on having never been introduced to the concept of deities, and one certainly can't believe in something they've never heard of. How can one believe in something when they have (1) never heard of it, or (2) heard of it but the only 'evidence' is in books that involve talking snakes, three-headed dragons, or gods giving birth to other gods out of their heads (to name stories from a few different myths)? When we can discredit the "holy" books that tell us about these alleged gods (which we have), then what other "evidence" do we have? And therefore, why should we believe, when the "evidence" has been discredited? We can say, "Ok, so maybe there is one or more gods, but none of them got it right," but that doesn't mean we should BELIEVE there IS one or more gods.
It takes faith to make an assertion without any evidence whatsoever. Being unconvinced of wild-sounding assertions that have NO evidence takes NO faith whatsoever.
There COULD be an 8-legged dog somewhere due to a birth defect, but I'm not going to believe it unless I see one, or at least hear it from credible sources. Does it take faith to not believe in that 8-legged dog? It's much more plausible than the gods described in the Bible, the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the Epic of Gilgamesh, or any of the other ancient myths that not only claim that gods exist, but also claim to know their nature.
WhyDebate May 19, 2009
I used to not care about these debates and respected peoples beliefs as their own. But ever since 9/11 & the last 8 years of the Bush administration, I've started to realize that widespread religion and faith in unverifiable deity and events and places (heaven & damnation in hell for instance) is not good for human civilization. Spreading religion is also encouraging people to be lazy intellectually. Because why seek evidence and solution to world problems when you can just give up and chalk it up to god's will and master plan? Not seeking evidence, advancing technology, health care, social sciences, and other progress is a poor decision for us all. What's the point if there will be armageddon, why preserve the planet? These beliefs are dangerous to everyone, especially when politicians believe in them and make decisions with disregard for real evidence.
If you see a car coming towards you, you get out of the way. The evidence is that a car is coming towards you, the action you take is to get out of the way in the interest of self preservation. Not blindly believing that you'll be safe and pray that the other car will change course at the last second. If we apply evidence, reasoning, and counter viewpoints to ideas and actions in almost everything we do everyday, why is religious faith so special and not applicable to the same rules?
I believe religion was created as a way to explain the mysteries back in ancient times before we had scientific methods, technology, and even documented literature to share and pool our knowledge. Religious faith helped people feel good in an uncertain world. It has outlived it's usefulness and is now impeding humanity's progress by promoting discrimination and cultural wars. As for religion helping the poor and underdeveloped countries. It's really just a temporary and ineffective way to help and for those involved to feel better about themselves. It's much more effective to study social issues through research and the scientific method, and then propose solutions to end poverty. We have a much better chance of success using the same process that allowed us to develop satellite communications, airplanes, cancer treatments...etc.
I attended a Richard Dawkins speech locally, where his topic was "Why We Need Purpose". Finding purpose is a human adapated condition. When we are presented with a strange object, our first inclination is to ask what is it for? This innate curiousity is part of our human nature, likely developed through natural selection and evolution so we discover/use tools to survive in the wild. Whatever it's origin. The result is that we seek purpose in everything. So we often want to know what is the purpose of life? Mr. Dawkins posed other questions such as "What is the purpose of the moon?" "What is the purpose of a banana?" "What is the purpose of stars in the sky?" Just because something exists does not mean there must be a purpose for its existence. This may sound depressing for those theists, but once you accept it, it enriches your life because you'll feel a sense of urgency in accomplishing something and make an impact with your life rather than wait for death and the after life.
Regarding the big bang, some scientists believe there's a god that created it, or question what was before it? An out-of-the-box hypothesis would be time is infinite, the big bang was not the beginning, but just one point in time of the universe. The universe could be in an infinite expansion and contraction loop, and the big bang was just the begining of the current expansion cycle. Such thoughts would not be possible unless one thinks freely, and one cannot think freely if one is limited to seeking answers in the bible and 2000 year old ideologies.
For those open minded enough, watch the documentary "The God Who Wasn't There" ( http://www.thegodmovie.com). Another good one is "Religulous". They do a much better job debunking religion and explain why it needs to be debunked. It's time non-theists stand up and get rid of all this nonsense so we can make progress and a better society for our future generations.
Lesa Jun 02, 2009
WhyDebate wrote: "I used to not care about these debates and respected peoples beliefs as their own. But ever since 9/11 & the last 8 years of the Bush administration, I've started to realize that widespread religion and faith in unverifiable deity and events and places (heaven & damnation in hell for instance) is not good for human civilization."
This is exactly why I started speaking up. I get into debates with creationists, knowing the creationists aren't going to listen, but also knowing that someone looking for answers can come across these debates, see how full of holes the creationist's arguments are, and also see the logic in mine. The key is exposing people to these ideas before it's too late for them, or while they are questioning beliefs they used to cling to but are now looking for answers that their church fails to provide.
I've heard of creationists coming around in rare cases, but it's more efficient to get the ideas out in public where the fence-sitters can find them. Also, we need to stress often how religion DOES hurt society when it pushes its ideals onto the general public through politics and other means, otherwise we get people like the ones here who keep saying we should respect their beliefs and stop saying bad things about their religion. I'm sorry, but religion is a virus that spreads and mutates, and we need to develop and provide the vaccine if we want our society to be healthy.
Keep fighting the good fight, WhyDebate and others here. :)
David May 27, 2009
Atheism: Because you can't see what's above you when you're always looking down on people.
Colin Jun 03, 2009
I figure that whether there's a god or not, its a waste of time trying to convince people one way or the other. if people believe in god, let them do that. If they commit atrocities in his/her/its name, then treat them as you would someone who did it not in god's name. I dont really believe in god myself, but why shouldn't other people be free to do so?
and if people don't believe then why should people try to force them to? if people just stopped trying to force their beliefs on each other the world would be a better place. don't hate on religious people, and don't hate on atheists either.
Scott Klarr Aug 13, 2009
I don't think many atheists (if any at all) believe that others should not be allowed to believe what they want. But just as they have the freedom to believe what they want, we have the freedom to laugh at them.
Dereck Aug 13, 2009
Hey,
I just found this article while searching for motivational posters.
Well, I couldn't help but read the comments (or at least the beginning of them), and I must say I'm impressed with the quality of arguments I've read so far. Noone has been discrediting someone else.
Anyway, I've been atheist since 2006, and to be frank from 2004 to 2006 I had my own religion (before that time I was too young to care about religion), a belief in God, but differently. I could describe it as simply having God in mind constantly, and sometime ask him for help. Well, you might not believe me, but sometimes what depended on total luck ended up as I asked.
Now, let's get to the point. So, I've been atheist since the middle of 2006, and, well, the only difference I see with Christians is the faith. I listen to music, I'm concerned about problems my country can have and I drink a beer every now and then. Just like everyone else. My point is, apart from believing in an entity or not, we're all the same - that is, humans.
So instead of showing who's doing the most good, who is being correct or not (in terms of what they said, not what they believe in), we should just get it over with.
I mean, who really cares what religion is this guy or that guy? Personally, when I talk to someone, I don't ask them their religion. As an example, I didn't know most of my classmates were atheists until a few months ago. I was seeing them five days per week for two years, and I never cared about their religion. Then again, if they told me they were Muslim or Christians, that would have not made any difference for me.
So, to resume my kind of messy arguments, I think that we should just get religion into the background instead of the foreground. There is no need to change one's behavior with someone because of his belief.
Once again, I must say I was really impressed with the quality of arguments and how the conversation didn't end up badly here, so my arguments might be a little inappropriate, yet I hope some of you will like them and pass them on.
Good night to all.
Brandon Aug 15, 2009
I think we should all just live and let live the way God or science or whatever it is tells us to live. I personally think the Bible is full of things I'd not like to believe, but if people do good because of that and if people feel comfortable from believing that, feel free. Although Christianity may have a bit more than a dozen faults, I don't think we should find one and bash Christians for that. I also don't think we should argue with/about Atheists. If they give you shit about your religion, walk away. You know what you believe in and they know what they believe in.
I'm sure someone here has heard of co-existence. I think it'd be a very good thing for this world to do. We would be able to focus on new studies instead of making Christians feel worse about themselves. If we all just minded our own buisness when in a negative manner, there would be peace.
Scott Klarr Aug 15, 2009
When religion regresses back to being a private, behind-the-doors matter then most of us will stop attacking it. But since religion is so public and forced on the citizens, we are not going to just sit back and be quiet.
Andro Aug 17, 2009
Not true at all.
beau vivant Aug 27, 2009
im only 15 and i guess ima atheist but i just read some of the arguments here and thought (seriously not to cause arguments) if the christians god is so omnipotent and stuff why are there other religions and atheism? if someone could answer without takeing my head off itd be apreciated
Scott Klarr Aug 27, 2009
The likely argument that a theist would put to you in response to that is that we have free will (we actually don't - our universe is deterministic) and so god will not interfere with the people or their decisions (unless of course your pray to him really really hard *rolls eyes*).
Ben Aug 28, 2009
I just don't understand how you can think all of this came from nothing. can a car be created without someone behind it? can a painting be painted without an artist? No. Everything around you was created by someone else behind. including this Earth that, in your terms, somehow contains all the perfect conditions to support life. There is no way that is just chance.
Scott Klarr Aug 28, 2009
We don't think everything "came from nothing."
Are you telling me there is a snowflake factory somewhere where every unique snowflake formation is "designed" by a "designer?" No! Things that appear to be designed can in fact come about by natural processes. The way that evolution works is absolutely fascinating and if you take the time to understand it, you would comprehend HOW we were "designed" by nature.
Also a huge flaw to the complexity of life argument for a god is that if there was a god who created us, it would stand to reason that he is more complex than we are... this leads to the regression of your argument: who created the god?
Yneos6 Sep 09, 2009
These are funny, but, assuming that the definition of Ockham's Razor is as the poster describes, it fails to assert Atheism's superiority to Christianity. They are different formulae with different results. Atheism: Cataclysm. Christianity: Afterlife. Regardless, There's no evidence for the existence of a god, so it wouldn't do us much good to assume such.
Scott Klarr Sep 09, 2009
Yeah the Occam's razor ones are weak. Occam's razor can only really be applied to two theories that *equally* explain the same facts, that are both fallible, that both have facts to back up, etc (and even then there is no guarantee that the simpler one is the more accurate choice). Using Occam's razor in the matter of religion is intellectually dishonest.
Little 15-year old Sep 12, 2009
Hmm, well, I don't know very much about all of this religious and scientific information, or exactly what it all means; I'm a Christian, but I can see what it is on both sides.
Here's my argument- no, my belief, I'm not one to argue- as to why there is a God- or at least, should be one.
I think we just need something to believe in- and I'm not talking about a reason to be good, I'm talking about a reason to continue living. And okay, okay, I understand that not everyone goes through really bad times in life, and not everyone feels depressed about stuff, but some of us need something to believe in for hope. Especially with the world the way it is today; sometimes we just need something to keep us moving forward. I think He's a force, something that's in people- so for you atheists that help people, I think he's still working within you, somewhere...
As for the thing about where He comes from and that the concept of time was created by humans: that's a good point, that there's no such thing as time- infinity itself is a concept, not a thing, so there can't be a "before". So why do we believe that the universe "began" with a speck of dust? That EVERYTHING "began" with that initial explosion? What if that explosion was only the next step in a series of things? We call it "the circle of life," so why doesn't that include EVERYTHING? For all we know- since time doesn't exsist- there actually might've been something before that speck of dust. A a whole other universe could've been created, expanded, and gone before then. Millions of universes. It never "started" because there is no time, so it will never "end" either. God created this universe, the Earth, and us- but no one ever said that this was the first time he'd done this. Things are meant to be born, then die, then start over- and maybe that's just what happened long before us. Then He created another speck of dust and said, "okay, time to do this all over again!" I mean, God must've been doing SOMETHING before, I think that would be boring is he just sat around litearally forever and then suddenly decided to do something. Maybe we- are universe- is merely the next step in the GRANDEST scale of things. Maybe He's just trying out different things each time around and such, like maybe last time the sky was green, the grass was blue, and we all had some shade of purple skin. I don't know- I really DON'T. Nobody does, and I think that's what's so great about it. I can't prove I'm right, you can't prove I'm wrong; the important thing is what goes on inside of us, what our souls are made of... and for those of you who disagree, for those of you who want to argue- be my guest. It's interesting, this whole thing about living and being alive. Life is beautiful, the whole concept of it- even the idea of sorrow and pain and how it kicks us around and is annoying; there's just a wonder to what it's all for...
I'm 15 years old, and I don't know anything about the universe; to me, some things just cannot be explain with human reason. We have limited ourselves and thinking possibilities to what we already know- which could very well be wrong. I think we should all think what we want to think, work for the good of each other, and just see how all our efforts turn out in the end.
One more question, which is not related to this exactly but I would love to have an answer to: WHY is it that we're looking for other planets that have Earth-like life sustaining conditions?! I think that's the DUMBEST thing in the world, that we won't go past that- i mean, what if there are beings out there who live off of breathing helium and and die from too much oxygen, things like that? Why do scientists limit themselves like this, there are beings living in the Earth's most extreme and humanly toxic places? ...But okay, maybe that's not the dumbest thing; with such a realm of possibilties, maybe it's just best to narrow it down to what we're already familiar with... still, though...
Well, that's then end of my insight on these issues, I doubt I've really affected any of you, though. I'm not stupid- I'm a straight-A sophmore heading into the IB program next year, so if you would like to have an intelligent discussion I will try my best. I doubt that anyone will contact me anyways, though. Oh well. :)
Scott Klarr Sep 12, 2009
>> I think we just need something to believe in- and I'm not talking about a reason to be good, I'm talking about a reason to continue living.
But how really does believing in a God make *your* life any more purposeful? Do you believe your life has the purpose of telling the almighty how much you love him? How does believing in God make your day-to-day life any more meaningful than if you didn't believe in him? If anything, in my mind, believing that this life is all we get makes every day THAT much more special because you know it is limited. Imagine that you lived in a very rich family in the richest country in the world. You never have to worry about food being unavailable because you have more than you will ever need. You probably are not going to put a high value on bread. Now imagine just the opposite: you live in the poorest country there is and you get to eat maybe 3 times a week. You know what food you do get is limited. How much do you think you will appreciate every bite? Probably a WHOLE lot, right? The same thing goes for life. If you think that after your time on earth, there is an eternity of living waiting for you, you are probably not going to put as high of value on every day. On the other hand, if you believe there is no afterlife and the 50-100 years you have on earth is all you have, you are likely to appreciate every minute you have much more than if you were expecting to live for eternity. Put into perspective like this, it is very difficult for me to understand why people think that believing in god makes their life any more purposeful or fulfilling.
As for your contemplations of "before," you are absolutely right, we have no idea if there was a "before" our current universe or if there will be an after (or if there ever was a beginning or if there will be an end). We just don't know, and scientists don't claim to know. But that lack of knowing does not justify filling the gaps of science with imaginary beings. There are many things we don't know: if there is a God, what happened before the universe, if there are other universes (parallel or inline), etc. What it boils down to is this: it is perfectly reasonable to contemplate and fantasies about what COULD BE, but it is wholly illogical to assume you know certain truths that are so plainly unknowable (such as if there is a god, if they care about us, what they want us to do, etc). I think it is reasonable to accept the *possibility* of god(s), but until there is evidence, that openness to possibility should never turn into belief.
>> I'm 15 years old, and I don't know anything about the universe; to me, some things just cannot be explain with human reason.
You are still young and you appear to be smart. Perhaps one day you will gain an interest in science and truly understand how magnificent it is. Unlike religion, science is based solely on observing facts of nature and the wonders of our physical reality are awe-inducing.
>> the important thing is what goes on inside of us, what our souls are made of...
The concept of the soul has never been anything more than a myth. It was mere speculation to explain consciousness and all arguments for the existence of a "soul" are nothing more than speculation without evidence trying to keep alive speculation that was formed, once again, on no evidence. If you are interested in learning about the scientific aspects of who we are, do a search for material on neuroscience, neurobiology, evolutionary psychology, consciousness (Daniel Dennett) as well as superorganism. Every aspect of human nature and being has been, in one form or another, linked and reduced to mere brain activity. Also a book that is a light read and humorous regarding the scientific attempts to locate/weigh/study the soul: Spook by Mary Roach.
>> WHY is it that we're looking for other planets that have Earth-like life sustaining conditions?!
Why not? In doing so, we may discover something that will change the course of our future. Much of the technology and understanding we have today has roots in "pointless" scientific pursuits.
Little 15-year old Sep 13, 2009
Well then, a response!
>>But how really does believing in a God make *your* life any more purposeful?
*Note that I may very well contradict myself, excuse me if I do.
When I said that some of us need a reason to continue living, I.. hmm, let me put it this way. I'm not living life more appreciarively because there is a god, I'm living it more confidently. Sure, a hard-working man can bring himself prosperity, but when he tumbles all the way down to the bottom, into the deepest pits of despair with no one else around to comfort him- where does he turn? Would he rather walk alone, to clean up this mess all by himself, to suffer this saddness without any hope- I mean, people fall down and get hurt. Really badly. We push ourselves off the cliffs by ourselves sometimes, too. And sometimes we just feel alone- so we turn to God as a source of comfort and inspiration. When we feel like there's not another person in the world who could love us, God always will. I am not living life any less appreciately because of an afterlife; life is beautiful and I try to recognize that with every breath I take, my time here is short.
So God sounds like a fairytale- a Santa Clause for adults, as one poster says. Why is it wrong to believe in a fairytale? Why is wrong to believe in something that doesn't make any sense logically? Why shouldn't I shun the idea that there are somethings that are impossible? Why should I limit myself like that?
So yeah, science is tangible, it's provable... but there is something beautiful, to me, in the idea that there are some things that have no answers, that we can believe in the scientifically impossible. If I get to the end and find out that there never was a god... well, then I can only say that it was a was a great illusion. I'd have no regrets.
Steve Sep 13, 2009
So I think we can agree that
a)Atheists have morals
b)They are looking towards bettering mankind, or at least not putting a limit on thought
Atheism on the whole, is a logical belief, whereas most religions are not(I'm not bashing, but faith is the belief, despite lack of evidence)
People keep complaining about atheists always trying to spread their belief, or lack there of, but it is very similar to spreading any other belief. It is spread because we are looking towards the betterment of mankind, religion has caused a lot of harm. Atheists spread there non belief through logical and rational dicussion not through fear of repercussions or violence. Now religion isnt logical but people are, which is why people who already have a religion are usually so set in there ways. For example Judaism vs Christianity when the arguments start they base not changing their belief based on the illogic of the others belief, while ignoring the holes within their own. Now this problem doesn't arise when arguing an atheist because the only defense of their attacks on the holes present in your religion is to justify those faults in the religion. When arguing an atheist you cant attack their belief cause they dont have one, you can only backup your own, which has already been shown to be full of flaws, and not just by atheists, but by practitioners of other religions.
I personally argue for the sake of atheism because it holds no prejudiced against anyone(just against the ignorance shown in other religions, shown through the many evident faults present in almost every religions doctrine). It does nothing to prevent our learning and in fact incourages it in order to further justify our position. The arguments of atheism are always evolving with out changing its whole position this is beacause every new flaw found in religion serves to build up our argument, this cant be said about of a lot of religions which change and further alienate some of their earlier beliefs.eg. stoning
Other religions have kept the same arguments since their inception, but the flaws remain, and cant be explained away and so are ignored. Yet these religions continue to study these texts to the point of exclusion or even arguing against any scientific advancement.
So if we can accept that most athiests are moral people we can argue that logical argument has a much more sucessful chance nowadays to convince people against what they believe, rather than another equally flawed belief. So whereas religion has lead to a number of atrocities and still promote the ideas behind such atrocities, would it not be to the betterment of everyone to drop these religions and embrace atheism. If there were not these religions warring against each other causeing strife across the planet, i think it is safe to say the world would be a better place. And since most religions argue on behalf of improving mankind, how can you justify not doing what is the potentially best for mankind, when sticking to your religion continues to cause strife.
And hey since atheism is based on logic if someday we did discover that your religion was the correct one, well now everybody would be a practitioner of it, and what harm would have been done in the meantime.
Little 15-year old Sep 14, 2009
Well, I think this whole argument is very intersting, and i have fgreat respect for both sides. I may not be able to prove myself right, but I cannot prove you wrong. :\
All I have, Scott Klarr, is one final question:
We both seem to agree that life should be appreciated. If people do not have souls and all of my thoughts and feelings are merely "brain activity-" which i can make several assumptions about to prove towards the truth of it- why is life beautiful if all of our joy is to be accounted for by something so defined? Beauty is not something to be put in numbers, and though the best have tried, it cannot be 100% accurately put into words. What is beauty? What's the feeling you get when you see it, when you feel it? Why is it there, why does it exist?
I doubt you will ever see it from my point of view. There's just too much to account for, in each individual life. I must thank for this food for thought, though; you never know whatt you belive until someone tries to prove you wrong; then you must first prove to yourself that you are right. The only evidence I have is, of course, not justifiable by facts- by solid, widely accepted and provable facts. All I have is what I trust. This discussion has made me ask questions to myself, and it's all only made my faith stronger. So thank you, Scott Klarr. I wish you a wonderful life.
What is life, anyway?
Shag Sep 23, 2009
i like turtles
Shag Sep 23, 2009
i like turtles a lot
W/E Sep 24, 2009
I honestly think it doesn't matter if we discuss it because in the end since God (if he is real) lives outside of time so we wouldnt know if he is alive or not so im open to everyone else's believes but just don't bash on other peoples religoun cause if they are right and your wrong they are in Heaven chilling laughing at you cause your dumb ass is burning in hell so be open minded listen to other peoples believes if you disagree so what just don't bash on there bieleves
Sheepalert Sep 27, 2009
"Andrea Yates is a disturbed woman and what she did is not because of her belief in God, not because she grew up in religious environment but because she is mentally disturbed. Nobody here I think can claim religion taught her to kill innocent children."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the bible, did "god" not tell Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac? Abraham was all too willing to do this in the name of god. Last I checked, Isaac was an innocent child. I'm not saying religion teaches people to kill innocent children, although this is a damn good example. There's another instance in the section of the book pertaining to Moses, where he states that no "women or child will be exempt." I'm too lazy to actually recall the circumstances or actually wording, but I'm pretty damn sure that revenge is no reason to kill innocent children. In this case, revenge being brought about by none other than "god."
Christian Mar 29, 2010
IT WAS A TEST DUMB ASS! LOOK IT UP! THIS WAS PROVEN WRONG ALREADY!
alex Oct 07, 2009
nobody gives a fuck about any of your opinons these are just funny
for our children Oct 11, 2009
If you need to believe in something, believe in yourself, your children, and the people around you that make your life complete. If you need something more tangible, believe in the Sun, it's there everyday and will be unbiased and glorious. God, he's cool but sometimes takes a long lunch break.
Nathan Motz Oct 17, 2009
I've got one for you:
"Atheists: the world's hope for the advancement of mankind into the next hopelessly pointless generation."
Or how about,
"Why not Atheism?: Because it's more fun to gripe all day about how stupid all those God-lovers are."
Or,
"Christianity: what have they ever done for humanity? Oh, except for Newton....oh, and Mother Teresa, and those people who run soup kitchens and shelters for the poor and homeless. Oh, and the ones that believe that rape, murder, lying, stealing, cheating, hating, etc.... is wrong. Those guys are ok, except for that they're Christian."
victoria Oct 19, 2009
hahaha matt lauer can suck it that damn jew!!!
Tony Hansen Oct 21, 2009
Seems to me like atheists are attacking the wrong target. I have been fighting the corruption and lies of religion almost my whole life. I think the bible does a much more eloquent job of condemning them than the logic I see in these posters. Doctrines like destiny, trinity, soul are ancient greek philosophy, they are not biblical. The whole idea of a clergy class is not biblical. Nationalism isn't either. Just as ignorance and inability to use the bible is not biblical ignorance of science while singing its dogmas is not science either. I would really love to meet an atheist or a catholic that is even willing to talk. Muslims I know will talk but know almost nothing about their own holy book and from what I can see it condemns their beliefs and actions also.
Tony Hansen Oct 21, 2009
My definition of religion is encompassing enough to also include things like materialism and nationalism. These things blindly destroy planets and societies. They have gods, people live and die for them, they have high priests, doctrines, arrogance, unreasoning masses of followers and ill informed promoters who spread the culture. Atheism also appears to have some credentials as a religion to me.
curious Oct 22, 2009
Has anyone ever heard of memetics? It seems to provide an interesting perspective regarding this debate, and could potentially lead to some enlightening revelations on the topic of religion. I may however be ill informed and I would be glad to hear some opinions. :)
Anti-Chris Oct 24, 2009
first, which "holy bible" do you refer to? the one that says anyone who doesn't accept the tooth fairy as their lord and savior will burn eternally in fire? or the one where if they don't believe santa clause is their savior then they are infidels? You religious types all try to make EXCUSES for logical things happening, ALWAYS. As simple as why did the chicken cross the road: a religious person would say to find god, whereas a logical(whether atheist or not) would say that the chicken did not have the mental capacity to know any better. Religious people are sheep, and sheep are Led by a shepherd which in this day and age are televangelist's and people like yourself who claim to "pray for my soul" how about you don't waste your 15seconds at the dinner table talking to your imaginary friend and instead go tell a sensible Psychiatrist the truth. say this: "I find myself talking to an imaginary person/thing every morning, before every meal, before I go to sleep at night, and I go and talk to him in his house every Sunday". Now if anyone said the sensible truth of it, they would be put in a nuthouse or on extreme amounts of medication, am I not correct?
Bree Nov 05, 2009
Militant Atheists have compareably no balls to the rest of society. Just an opinion
Scott Klarr Nov 07, 2009
Religious people have comparably no brains to the rest of society. Just an opinion.
Christian Mar 29, 2010
THEN HOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE FEELING I GOT WHEN I BELIEVED?
MrD Oct 24, 2009
Guys seriously. I think that the best way to go is believe in everything and nothing all at once.God may exist in some form or he may not.You can't prove either cause its a beeing that is infinite which is a concept that the human mind cannot comprehend infinity because the human mind is not equiped for that.There is no infinity in nature.Everything that begins eventually ends.Not counting theoretical mathematics which is exactly that. Theoretical. So imo neither atheists or creationosts ar correct.Because you can't prove either theory. Thats right theory. Thats what both are theories.The oly sure thing in life is that we will all die eventually.Maybe. So live life as you wish believing in what you want.It won't make a difference in the end.
Scott Klarr Oct 24, 2009
You believe in Santa Claus?
>> So imo neither atheists or creationosts ar correct.Because you can't prove either theory. Thats right theory. Thats what both are theories.
Not believing in something without evidence is not a "theory", it is common sense. Until you can prove to me that magical faeries exist, the only logical stance to have is to not believe.
Really? Nov 23, 2009
You sir, are a dumbfuck.
Guillaume Nov 25, 2009
I've glanced over some of the posts, so I hope I'm not repeating anything that's been said before.
I'm an atheist, and atheism has brought me no answer as to our purpose, nor has it brought me any inner peace. At this point in my life, I like to think that's because there might not be an answer, and I'm ok with that. I have no inner peace, but I refuse to take the easy way out and let blind faith sooth over this "mal de vivre". I have faith (haha, get it?) that existence as a whole is marvelous enough to be worthy of worship. My God is reality. My inner turmoil can only be conquered by myself.
The real point I want to make however, is to warn atheists. Like most things, religion has good and bad in it. Religion gives peace and harmony to many who - just like you and me - feel this "mal de vivre". One thing I believe everyone can agree on is that we should all strive to lessen suffering, which exists everywhere.
You see the problem is that by blaming religion, you are mistakenly targeting an overwhelming majority of believers who will never force their views on anyone, who do not believe science should be hampered, or religion taught in school. This categorization is a great discredit to your cause, namely freedom of will, research and education. Keep in mind that bringing down religion will only leave a gap to be filled by another entity which may be filled by a greater evil.
Now I'm not saying we should choose the status quo because it may be the lesser of two evils. I am saying: make sure your arguments and debates are properly targeted. Your beef is with hampered scientific research, and freedom of religion (or lack thereof).
Sending flak to religion as a whole makes you no better then those you accuse.
Brian Nov 28, 2009
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... So, has an athiest ever stopped to think "hey, what if we're wrong?" Good luck with that after life thing if you are! In the mean time, I will have the respect of Christians AND athiests because of my urge to be good in accordance with Christian doctrine. If I'm worong, Christianity, real or imagined, will have made me the better person and I will be remembered. Athiest, not so much. I have enjoyed a much richer life and have missed nothing because of my belief except more heartache and pain. Nobody tought me, I found out on my own the truth. Good luck and (athiests cover your eyes) God bless.
noxidereus Dec 02, 2009
"So, has an athiest ever stopped to think "hey, what if we're wrong?""
That's an incarnation of Pascal's wager. You do know that there are more choices than Christianity and Atheism, right? There are countless religions. What if you're wrong? What is some obscure religion is correct and you and I both go to some horrific hell, just for choosing incorrectly even though there is absolutely no evidence that exists to show that one particular religion is correct over all the others. With all of the religions out there, there really is no good bet to make, so your argument is a far stretch from reality, because in reality this is not a boolean choice (true/false), it's a choice from countless "possibilities".
"If I'm worong, Christianity, real or imagined, will have made me the better person and I will be remembered. Athiest, not so much."
Why because atheists are necessarily bad people? We are equally human and thus we have human emotions. Empathy and caring for one another is a human trait, not some gift from a god. We all have feelings, do you deny that atheists are human? It sounds like you are. It sounds like you are suggesting you are superior because you choose to believe something that may or may not be true, and that believing in that makes you special. It doesn't. As much as this may disappoint you, you as a Christian, and I as an atheist are equally human and we both feel emotions and empathy for our fellow human beings.
TomB Dec 04, 2009
Nicely put Nox.
Your post has given me good answers to Pascal's wager and the point that religious people do good work.
Thanks.
Fred Dec 08, 2009
Noxidereus. philosophy is to "find truth through deep thought alone" This was their science in those days of old because they did not believe in controled experiments, scientifical evidence. The truth is, know one REALLY knows whether there is a god or not, but no matter how many holy books you read and contemplate over it, you are using phylosophy to guide you, and i think we can all agree that phylosophy is flawed. Our greatest hope of learnign more of our universe and our fate and our origon, is to persue the path of science and observation. Only then can we truly justify out beliefs. Religion only brings nirvana or peace of mind because the phylosophers have trully mastered the physcological concepts of the human mind... i mean, why do you think so many people are brainwashed by it. Moses was a fricking genius at swaying the minds of troubled people ruled by corrupt leaders. But they were arlso ignorant uneducated people, so that made it a bit easier. However as the years passed, we became more oblivious to our ignorance
Aaron Smyth Dec 07, 2009
Never stopped to think about it for a moment. The moment we die our brain shuts down, as does our consciousness. We simply cease to exist, like the ancient Jews actually believed. The idea of an afterlife is a peculiarly Christian ideal...they took it from some sections of Judaism. Ancient Greeks believed mostly that people either ceased to exist or lived as dim shades, incapable on action or free will.
I am 100% sure that when I die, I will not end up in hell. I have been under general anesthesia for over 13 hours, and did not remember anything. Death is endless, dreamless sleep.
Fred Dec 08, 2009
HAHAHA you don't like these because your simply happy mind cant comprehend it, to accept no life after death, and to accept the your meaning in life is self furnished must be alot to take in huh? Well it hasn't bothered me at all. Me and everyone else has one life, so i try and make mine and others as good as possible, not so i can get into heaven...but because i can
Ash Dec 03, 2009
I don't appreciate these :/
Mikey Dec 04, 2009
So presumably then good sir you have asked every person you have ever conversed with whether or not they are atheist to be able to voice you comment?
As an atheist it is not religion I have a problem with, I believe that we are all free to believe as we wish. However I have a problem with the education system, science and politics being defined by religion as they are these days. I also have a problem with extremist fundamentalists for obvious reasons.
Lastly have you noticed how religions are one of the best pretexts for wars? For well over 1,000 years christianity has been a pretext or cause of more wars and killings than anyone alive would care to count. Is that really so precious and worthy of being believed in? Well as I said I leave it to all to decide for themselves - but at least teach both sides and let atheists get on with their own lives.
Wasn't it George HW Bush who said that atheists are not patriotic and not worthy of the same level of liberty as christians? You wonder how an atheist might hate religion? Its really not hard, trust me.
I understand that most religious people are very decent and that the media does religion no favours. However religion doesn't help itself when trying to put limitations on other people like prop 8 in California or the recent vote against same sex marriage in NY state (The home of the statue of liberty no less).
I could go on and on but I really don't see the point. Teach both sides and let all decide for themselves without deriding them.
Sally Dec 07, 2009
>>>I think we just need something to believe in- and I'm not talking about a reason to be good, I'm talking about a reason to continue living. And okay, okay, I understand that not everyone goes through really bad times in life, and not everyone feels depressed about stuff, but some of us need something to believe in for hope
Little 15yo, you are wise beyond your years. However, once you have seen thru man's insecurity and the reasons we latch on to delusion we out grow our naive need for 'make believe'. In evolutionary terms our minds are geared towards denial - how else would we cope with the realities of life? We are born with a terminal disease (ageing) - our bodies have a shelf life. We are too intelligent to accept our small existence beset with 'pain and suffering'. It's so easy to sugar coat reality with a fairy god mother et al.
And what of those who've been encoded from birth by our parents version of reality?
Added to these are the newly converted of whom it is said: 'there is no one worse than the newly converted'. The brain provides special chemicals to help them stay hooked?
I look forward to the time (not in my life time) when brain scientists show religious addicts what parts of their brains have been over stimulated with addictive chemicals to promote their reality. In the mean time we should be kind to religious people coz they are suffering an insidious form of mental illness. They have no idea what harm they do. (they couldn't do so much harm to others in full knowledge of their actions)
Christian Mar 29, 2010
you wish!
Fred Dec 08, 2009
I will admit i do not respect religious beliefs I am sorry. I've seen too many people's logic clouded by religion. You see, the modern day general christian population is oblivious to the REAL teachings and traditions. I will also add that BECAUSE of their beliefs, they feel that they have no need to learn about the possibilities of life in space, finding inner peace without stressing about heaven and hell, or care to learn about the origin of this universe.... and purity rings???? come on...... too many beautiful girls at my school who wont experiance physical affection because they feel they need to be married first. Having sex doesnt make you a hoe....
Fred Dec 08, 2009
Oh, here's some irony
Ignorance: To believe something regardless of lack of evidence and and to blindly justify it to the bitter end.
Faith: To believe something regardless of lack of evidence and and to blindly justify it to the bitter end. (But is easily justifiable)
being faithful in religion isnt something to be proud of...
sega Dec 09, 2009
why cant we all just get along and follow the flying spaghetti monster? may we all be blessed by his noodly appendgaes. :)
Camille Dec 10, 2009
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dudewtf Dec 17, 2009
why do all the arguments for religion seem to come from the incoherent or adolescent. the guy who im aiming this at is redalert who makes up the majority of arguments for religion. if you read this redalert drinking and then typing is not a good combination and is the reason no one knows what the hell your trying to say.
lukas Dec 31, 2009
I think you guys should take this argument to ravingatheists.com.
RAMESH SACHDEVA Jan 08, 2010
Excellent one
RAMESH SACHDEVA Jan 08, 2010
EXCELLENT ONE
goblin Jan 10, 2010
Wow Jeffersonite, I'm not even going to bother arguing your points because it's clear you're a blind follower, so therefor won't listen; but I am curious about one thing you said.
"If there are no eternal consequences for bad behavior ... why suffer through this life at all? With no God, why not have a worldwide atheist suicide party?"
Are you saying here that the only reason you don't commit suicide yourself is because it's a sin? Is it so far out of your scope of comprehension to think that people might actually enjoy life? It sounds to me like you consider life to be hellish waiting room for heaven; which is a really sad way to live.
Josh Apr 05, 2011
goblin i fell the same way. I enjoy life and i want to live it not because it's a sin to commit suicide. I live to be humane and go threw life, not fearing death. i'm not waiting in a earthbound hell just to go to heaven. I try to explore my world and seek truth. People try so hard to please a god that they don't notice what is around them. so as a atheist i try to explain them what is the world around them. For some it is hard to understand and they will need help. But don't worry my friend because help will always be with you. It will take some time but people will start to accept others. We just need to be to the point but with a gentle hand. Do that and then they will see logic.
Daniel Jan 13, 2010
Hey "Alex",
Some good charities have been done by Christianity, but who has created the problem in the first place? This is like Microsoft and its scholarships/charities to society. They both seek to improve their public image and get credit from the giving of charities to what they have negatively affected themselves.
And please don´t separate Christianity from Catholicism. Christianity is the belief in Christ and all those religions and people who practice this belief are Christians; thus, they are practicing Christianity. I mean, is just as simple as that. The only difference among some other Christians religions is just a matter of balls. The Catholic church has been the one with the most balls to do what they have done.
Cheers!
Sparky Jan 15, 2010
I just want to throw in here. What created the dust to create the big bang? It does not mean there was a 'God' who created the dust. Athiesm accepts truth. Proper Athiesm does not actively believe 'God' does not exist, only that it cannot be proven and that it is highly improbable. Simply Athiesm is alot like Toothfairy Agnostic. Prove (with logical conclusions brought by scientific research) that the toothfairy exists and we will believe it. On the same note, there may or may not be a teapot orbiting Saturn, to an Athiest it is highly improbable but unless there is undeniable proof we must accept it as unanswered. Christians on the other hand use the word 'God' in every debate/arguement or conflict as if it is a term that is accepted and proven, thus making it real and viable. This is what creates most of the Athiest right wing 'Aggresive Athiesm'. Some people, even Athiests, don't fully understand what it means to BE an Athiest.
Just-a-kid Jan 18, 2010
I have read most of what everyone has posted (not ALL of it, it would take too long) and while there are valid points on either side (and also really STUPID ones) I´m pretty sure that posting these pictures is pretty offensive. I´m not taking away your freedom of speech but I believe in the golden rule (which is found in the Bible, btw) and I don´t think any atheist or agnostic would like some "religious" people talking trash about your beliefs.
Also, Sally, my parents are both "christian" (not Catholic, there IS a difference!) and I don´t feel in any way pressured to be one. If I so desired I could just say "to hell with it" and change "religions" or maybe even become atheist.
I may not be able to prove the validity of my beliefs due to my short age (I´m only 14 xD) but I sincerely hope that you don´t think I´m a brat that knows nothing.
P.D: I keep emphasizing religion because it sucks and turns people into robots (psychologically). I don´t go to church, help others, pray, follow (or try to) the 10 commandments, etc. because the church tells me to or because if I do I´ll go to heaven, but rather because I owe God for what he´s done for me. Don´t believe me if you want, after all I´m just a kid.
maria Jan 20, 2010
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Jill Jan 24, 2010
Good discussion, until the frustration point sets in for some. Then, it degenerates pretty quickly. Meanwhile, the posters gave me a good laugh. There's a book I read last year that suggests religion evolved in our DNA as a potential organizational behavior element that allowed people to work together as more of a collective group against common hardship. That's an interesting perspective. That would also put it into the "religion created by man" category.
Mr.Hales Jan 29, 2010
I love endless (and ultimately pointless) debate! It is, at the very least, good brain exercise, yes?
At any rate...
God is all-knowing and all-powerful. God, then, creates Lucifer with full knowledge that there will be a betrayal. Thus, God creates evil. Isiah 45:7 (KJV) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." And Mr.Hales saw there was proof, and it was Good.
That's okay, though. No, really. Because life is dynamic equilibrium. All natural systems seek balance. This is why, for instance, a soda can feels cold in the hand as one's flesh and the tasty beverage seek to become the same temperature. One cannot know the light but for the darkness. One may not understand good without the existence of evil. A good deed, even a glorious one, becomes meaningless without the context of an equally potent evil. A selfless sacrifice means nothing without the opposition of cold-blooded murder.
Indeed, Satan is what keeps God in business. Without His immortal foil, what would His great goodness oppose? How could our tiny, human minds even glimpse the glory of God and His Salvation if we had no familiarity with horror, loss and pain?
So, why spite the shadow for doing its job? "Love the sinner; hate the sin." But why? "God says so." Fine. But why? Without sin, why does righteousness even matter? What does it even mean to be "good" if there is no "evil"?
Dogma, be it born of atheism (There is NO GOD, dammit!) or religion (You will all BURN IN HELL!) or science (Will all of you SHUT UP!? I'm experimenting!) only creates division where there simply is none.
I am you and you are me and we are God.
Such a thing I must admit must strike you odd.
But all of life and time and space infinity
Is made of all the exact same stuff: eternal energy.
Fun, right? Here's why: According to (an admittedly basic understanding of) quantum superposition, every particle simultaneously coexists at every point in time and space. Therefore the particles (and remember matter = energy) that compose my body, mind and soul are very likely the exact same particles that make you, and my chair, and the Milky Way and (wait for it) God.
So, not only are "all men brothers", we are actually the same being. We are God. God is us... at least at the subatomic level. ;-)
Souls are shards of the shattered divine.
I saw an article in the (relative to my own time scale) recent past discussing the physiological symptoms of prayer and meditation. Ya'll likely have access to some sort of rapid-response indexing system that could return like a googol results or something, so you can research this in your own Copious Free Time, but the gist was basically that when a person has a spiritual experience (be it fellowship with the LORD, Nirvana, communing with one's spirit animal, etc.) the part of the brain that differentiates between Self and Other sort of turns off. In that moment of spiritual ecstasy, the sensation seems to be caused by a total loss of Self and we are, for that instance, very literally at one with all things (just as we truly are). Pretty neat, eh?
Moving on...
Want to have some fun with math? Great! You can try this at home, kids!
Did you know that any real number multiplied by 9 will, after adding all the digits until a single digit remains, give you 9 back? For instance:
9 * 5 = 45
4 + 5 = 9
9 * 83 = 747
7 + 4 + 7 = 18; 1 + 8 = 9
Now for the real fun... because of this interesting property, 9 is sometimes referred to as the number of pride, because it always returns to itself. Interestingly enough pride was the sin that fell the angels.
More interesting is the fact that 6 + 6 + 6 = 18 (and 1 + 8 = 9) so we know that 666 is a product of x * 9, right (and x = 74, if you were curious and lazy)? Also 6 * 6 * 6 = 216 and 2 + 1 + 6 = 9 (gasp!). Now, if one truly considers, pride is truly the root of all evil.
Here's why: Only by considering one's self to be more important, more deserving, than another could one break any of the Ten Commandments. I deserve my neighbor's wife, for instance... or his big screen TV... or his life... I know better than God, so I'll go to church on Sunday and worship other gods and bow to idols of some Caucasian corpse, for instance.
Okay, so numbers are fun, but what does it all mean?!
Absolutely nothing! Yay, that was fun!
Honestly though, people should stop worrying about tattoos or microchips... the Mark of the Beast upon the hand or forehead is about being devilish in one's actions (hand) or thoughts (forehead). Pretty simple when you think about it.
Interestingly, somebody is supposed to make the whole world worship the Beast... I'm sure glad there aren't people out there trying to convince others to join a massive, dogmatic cult based on fear, hate-mongering, and corruption while having sex with altar boys or anything. I mean, if something like that was going on, I'd be worried about Judgment Day...
Speaking of important days:
Saturday is the seventh day of the week. Matthew 5:19 - "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." In other words: Going to church on Sunday is the moral equivalent of murder, adultery, thievery and idolatry, right?
Oh, and I'm pretty sure if I ever hear any more of that "reason for the season" bullshit, I'll have to become violent. Jesus was born in the spring, people. The shepherds were in the fields with the flocks, not snuggling up in a warm house on a cold winter's night.
Don't worry, though, just because Jesus wasn't born on December 25th, that's no reason not to celebrate! I mean, lots of really important individuals were born on December 25th, including: Krishna, Mithra, Osiris, Horus, Buddha, Beddou, Quetzalcoatl, Hercules, Tammuz, Zoroaster, Dionysus, Hermes, Bacchus, and Prometheus.
It's a popular day amongst the pagans, apparently (who also happen to be the source of nearly every Xmas tradition).
Perhaps people should actually read that book... Hell, reading any book might help.
Ah, but it's tradition, though. God couldn't really expect us to follow all TEN (and ten.. that's a lot) of those laws that He wrote into stone with his finger. Besides, there's Grace, right? I mean, I'm forgiven even if I choose the flaunt the Law right in God's face 52 Sundays a year for the duration of my mortal existence, right?
Where am I? What am I doing in this hand-basket?
It's funny the things people cherry-pick, you know? I mean, what could be easier than resting on Saturday? Nope, screw that, instead how's about we do some good ol' fashioned gay bashing (while somehow not passing judgment at the same time) instead, eh? That would be so cool, dood!
Thankfully for the homosexuals, though, it's simply a matter of choice, right? They can just choose to be straight, right now! Because it is a lifestyle choice! There's even a 12-step program! With the love of Jesus, you don't have to love men... er, except for Jesus. And his Dad.
So, why don't some of you straight Xians choose to be gay. Just go be gay, right now! Go out and become sexually aroused by members of your own sex and develop deep, meaningful, romantic feelings for these same-sex persons. Pine for them, fantasize about them. I'm fairly straight, as these things go and, try as I might, I just can't be gay. And believe me, I've tried. Women are mysterious creatures that horrify and confuse men (especially their husbands) and it would sure be easier to hang out with a guy all day and play video games and have anal sex.
If I haven't made my point already, how about this:
I'm going to choose to join a class of people who have been persecuted, tortured and murdered for so long the Jews look at them and say, "Those poor bastards have really gotten a raw deal." I'm going to choose this existence for myself, okay? But I won't tell a soul about it. I'll have some very frightening experiences in my younger years, be bullied and berated by my peers, and decide that I can be straight. I'll pull it off, too. I'll live out my whole life denying who I am... er, chose to be... so I can fit in. So God will love me. So Mom and Dad don't disown me. I'll choose that life for myself.... that's awesome, right?
Or, I could just tell everyone and trust the good nature of my fellow men and women that I won't end up dying hung on a fence somewhere or suffer some other fate so unlikely that it's probably never happened, not even once. I'll tell my parents and when they say they never want to see me again because I'm an abomination in the eyes of God, I'll totally understand that. Because it was my choice, right?
Really, what sort of misanthropic twit actually believes such dunder-headed nonsense?
If I can choose my sexual orientation, then surely I can also choose my eye-color, and my gender and my race... Well, maybe if I was Michael Jackson...
Anyway...
Here's the real deal, people:
Jesus was neat. Had great ideas and was murdered for them. He thought that everyone should be nice to each other and love each other and help each other because it would be the right thing to do. Y'shua ben Yosef (Jesus, yo) seemed pretty keen on this idea that people had no right to make up their minds about anyone else. Really, that's pretty cool, right? Be nice and don't judge and definitely don't go out of your way to screw up somebody else's day. And because of that (and some business about having the Creator of Heaven and Earth on speed dial) he was tortured and murdered.
Reminds me of some other fairly nifty individuals... Martin Luther King, Jr. comes to mind. Peaceful guy, wanted everyone to enjoy their innate brotherhood. Killed for it...
I learned my lesson, though... you sure won't catch me trying to make the world a better place. I don't care if they start time (or the calender, at least) over for me! :-P
I'm actually pretty happy being alive and father to two amazing kids. I hope I can avoid messing them up too badly. I believe that if I can pull that off, I may just have done my part and won't have to be gunned down for my trouble.
Whatever I do, I shouldn't care that there is so much food in the supermarket that some of it goes bad and must be discarded while people starve to death around the world.
I definitely won't give a crap about pharmacies destroying expired drugs while people waste away from easily curable ailments world wide.
I certainly will pay no notice that, while "Ethanol [is] added for cleaner burning fuel", there are 100% clean alternatives available today... I mean, "nobody" else cares, right? And by "nobody" I mean people with lots and lots of money and power and real estate and private jets and things.
I guess what I'm saying here, right at the end, is that maybe we (and by "we" I mean us humans) have more important things to talk about.
P.S. Ia! Ia Nyarlathotep, Soul and Messenger of the Outer Gods!
Christian Mar 29, 2010
how did he create Lucifer for evil? Why?
Mr.Hales Jan 29, 2010
P.P.S. The Papacy is the Antichrist. Ask the Adventists, they know.
Donovan L. Rich Feb 01, 2010
It is very true that there are more important things to discuss. At some point in time though, we will end up right here again, talking about the same thing... Where we came from and arguing that the other side can't prove their point. Let's just enjoy what we have, and cross whatever bridge is in our path when we come to it eh?
Brooklyn Feb 14, 2010
funniest shit ever!!! thnk u!!! long live atheists!
Anpu Feb 14, 2010
What are you talking about? The Sky? Birds? Clouds?
Us atheists can see all of them.
Mike Feb 26, 2010
"are the driving force behind most of the scientific advances since the dark ages?"
The driving force would have something different if the dark ages never occurred.
"but not how humans separated from the rest of the animals"
We ARE NOT separate from animals. We are still animals, just the smartest ones.
If you have a box of cookies, no two cookies are exactly the same in every way. Maybe you'll find a cookie with a huge amount of chocolate chips, more then the rest. Its still a fucking cookie, just the most chocolaty.
Lol I'm hungry, that's why I used a cookie analogy.
RedAlert Mar 08, 2010
Have you people ever wondered why men seems to cannot live with nature in harmony? Species of animals and plants in all it's diversity flourish without conflict and we humans destroy some of it's balance (accidental or intentional introduction of invasive species to other locations, endangering and rendering some animal specie extinct by human intervention or consumption etc.)
And why is that there's no other intelligent specie of animals that can at least challenge man's?
Christian Mar 29, 2010
i will try not to support a single group here. it is a matter of overpopulation. there are a lot of nature magazines saying about such and such forest being cut down for people to build houses on the land.
Jesus Christ Mar 28, 2010
Hey guys, how about you all stop arguing. christian fags, your worshiping me and I'm A ZOMBIE!! atheist fags, my pops and i think that you have all the right in the world to believe what you want. oh, and sunday was meant to stay at home and watch football, eat pizza, drink beer, and sleep. I dont come to YOUR house and pray now do I?
the man Apr 01, 2010
your all fucked
anon Apr 12, 2010
who cares they are motivational posters. get on with your fucking lives.
Just-a-kid Apr 23, 2010
Why don´t we stop degrading and makinf fun of what other people believe?
So, you don´t believe in God, well ok. So, you believe in God and that´s fine too! Atheists say that religious people try to CONVERT them and won´t leave them alone. Religious people say that atheists keep trying to proof their beliefs wron and won´t leave them alone? How about we cut it off and just live normally? If someone comes up to you and tries to change your mind, just ignore them! There is no reason to go on a website and rant about how much you hate that kind of people. Have you ever thought you might be hurting someone´s feelings when they´ve read this?
And, okay, maybe you still want to rant but, could you tone it down a bit? There´s no reason to insult each others beliefs in a way that degrades their dignity! That is plain wrong. In sult beliefs in your personal diary if you really effing want to.
Matthew May 03, 2010
Ok, first off im an atheist, i dont believe there is a higher power or anything like that, i believe that there is a universe out there for us to explore(i dont believe we ever will, but thats another thing), i have nothing against people with different beliefs as, in my opinion, atheism is just another religion the only difference is is that we have no "god" or written doctrine to follow, we live our lives the way we want to. one of the only problems i have with the whole religion debate is that there is one in the first place, i mean we should be able to believe what we want to without any repurcussion(sic), from anyone. another problem i have is the way that religion is blamed for all of the worlds solutions and problems, it all just seems to be an easy cop-out.
spyderhunter May 04, 2010
i like Squirrels
James Mathew Anderson May 12, 2010
Squirles are one of the most loyal followers of the Fly Spagehti Monster. Second only to pirates. I solute you for your enlightenment.
unconvinced May 06, 2010
It seems to me that although everyone posting here has a very strong opinion one way or the other, they are missing the point.
We can show scientifically that everything is made up of energy. We don’t know all the rules that dictate how or why it is tied up into intricate little knots, but at its most fundamental level - it's all energy.
Now, if you tend to believe in God, you might see that as evidence of an almighty unifying force controlling the universe, and dictating the complex flow of that energy.
On the other hand if you see no need for an awareness to be in charge and shaping the chaotic flow of energy, still you should see that there are rules the constantly changing dance of energy follows.
I believe these rules are what Einstein considered to be God. (My opinion, no supporting evidence)
This is the common ground we should be fighting to understand - even if we come at it from different angles.
To stand alone in a dark room and insist that your mind is the extent of the observable universe is both brilliant and simple minded.
We need to allow ourselves to access other perspectives before any truth will emerge...
Nathan May 20, 2010
I must say, I've been really moved my this. Some of the comments here make me think these people are some of the smartest there is. What I want to say is.... if God created the universe, which is defined as everything that exists, then where did God come from? He somehow lived before the universe was created? I do agree with people here, religion is getting in the way of our progress in discovering why we exist today, and how. What people don't get is half of this religion is just a bunch of B.S some person or people made up a long, long time ago. People are just too thickheaded to realize. I myself don't understand how the big bang happened. If that's true, and the big bang did happen, there must have been some non-existent trigger for it. If you disagree don't start some retarded argument, this is coming from an 11 year old. One last thing, if God exists, and the best come to people who believe in him, why are believers being thrown into war. Do they like being in war, and they find it a good thing. There's your evidence people.
david May 27, 2010
well its pretty much just gods always been around and who knows he could have ccreated more universes, such as the multiverse theory.
also ill explain the big bang for you...in the begining there was very very dense pieces of nothing, this nothing exploded and created the universe...that is all...
and as for the war and such thats just simply mans free will, god doesnt have complete control over everything because he chose to let us be free
Nathan May 27, 2010
I'm not saying "God" is starting the wars. I'm saying people are starting the wars due to the fact that they want others to believe in the exact same thing as them. I'm not saying this is the particular cause of all wars, but it's the leading cause. Second, you statement about "very very dense pieces of nothing" made absolutely no sense. Nothing is nonexistent, so there can't be pieces of it. As for "Gods" being around forever and creating all universes, if that is true, they had to live and exist with no universe, which is impossible for any living thing, spiritual or not, to do.
Nathan May 20, 2010
One more thing, I'm laughing right now. Not at the motivational posters, but people saying that others are wrong, but have no evidence whatsoever to back their theory up. Look at this people: The truth is right in front of you but you can't separate yourself from what you already think or believe. Religion is starting wars people. People are getting aggressive because they want others to believe what they believe in. Which is why I'll say, I'm not telling you anyone is right or wrong. But the atheists here have evidence. You people can see through your eyes but are blind in your mind. Here's the explosion in your face people. Game over.
And if you follow any religion, go ahead, I won't stop you. I'm just trying to make my point here.
Rogue Aug 28, 2010
I like your point Nathan. And very nicely put.
david May 27, 2010
...ok so what your saying is that people have wasted time and their lives on something you all wasted time and a large portion of your lives fighting against, only they actually get something out of it... you guys are friggin geniuses.....
Sven Jul 24, 2010
It is a fight to increase the productive and innovative rate of humanity by creating a species that was wholeheartedly skeptical, and willing to search for answers. Religion stops all inquiry by saying "I don't know I guess god did case closed." As far as doing something you enjoy. If thats the reason you go to church why not open an opium den. Waste your life doing drugs. I mean as long as you enjoy it...
Dillon Jun 01, 2010
"I was simply asking why any laws need to be obeyed. If we are simply evolved animals, then the only laws that we must adhere to are the laws of nature."
Because you'll go to jail, simple as that. Without laws or having a method of bypassing laws, there will be complete chaos.
A good example would be when Church > State during the Christan dark-ages.
Joelle Jul 26, 2011
If we are evolved animals, then why do we wear clothes? Why do we know its wrong to cheat, lie, steal, murder. This is the survival of the fittest. All the animals have to steal, kill, and attack to survive. However we have a moral code written in us. Every culture in every part of the world knows that it is wrong to murder, to lie, to cheat, to take your friends wife. But how do we know that if we are just evolved from primates? Primates are particularly vicious and wild. It says in the Bible that God has made himself known to us with the law written in our hearts and the creation of the world so that man has no excuse.
jack Jun 01, 2010
I'm Christian, but I don't like it when other religious people get mad at atheists for being jerks. Look at it from their prospective, If we're right some time in the future well be sitting in heaven with some former atheists rubbing it in for all eternity, but if the atheists are right they only have a few years to rub it in.
Nathan Jun 05, 2010
Thank you. Now, if only everyone else on this page would realize that.
Chad Jun 04, 2010
I'm not going to pretend I know very much about anything. Because I really don't know very much out of all the stuff there is to learn or that we even know as the human race. I wish there weren't so many really really overzealous religious fanatics in the world. I don't a majority of religions were intended to produce such types of people from the beginning, but sadly it has evolved that way. People need to be more well rounded I think, and more understanding of each other. So what if somebody believes their rock is talking to them, as long as they don't hurt anybody else let them talk to God, nature, dead people, or whatever. Why do people have to get so worked up that they think their God loves them more than somebody else and so that gives them the right to go out and kill people in the name of a religion. That's just stupid. These things were designed to strengthen people I think, but they were hijacked by power hungry people. It's ridiculous.
John Smith Jun 06, 2010
Belief in the supernatural is common among humans because it arises from the (flawed) nature of consciousness and symbolic thinking. People are generally poor thinkers - illogical, emotional, and inconsistent (otherwise we wouldn't need a Scientific Method). This is why the correlation between intelligence and atheism is weak: even the smartest people fall into emotional/irrational traps, symbolic and selective thinking, and so forth. Trying to reason with a believer is like trying to teach a horse to sing: it just ain't natural. The fact that some of us have a proclivity for rational atheism has more to do with emotional courage and honesty than intellectual prowess.
Aaron Paige Jun 07, 2010
Some of these posters act like ALL Christians are retarded or something. I've come across some very intelligent Christians. I consider myself one as well. You need to know, not all Christians believe that creation is just 6 days and that the world is young.
Sean Henderson Jun 09, 2010
"Belief" is human nature. This is how we have always filled in the gaps for those questions which have no answers. Do you know the difference between Mythology and Religion? Mythology is simply a religion that nobody believes in any more.
Accept that there are things that are unknown, know only what can be known. Don’t act as if your theory is a fact. You don’t know anything more than me or any other human who has ever lived about God. If you hear him talking to you, give him my name and ask him to please talk to me. If I don’t show up at your house within a week to tell you that I was wrong, guess what... you are talking to yourself!
Drew Jun 18, 2010
Just putting it out there, (and for the record, I didn't read this whole thing...) I'm an atheist, and I don't spout it everywhere. I don't care if people are christian. It's thier choice, like eating a pie for lunch, or growing some kind of vegetable. What I don't like, though, is them just being over-religious, though, or pushing it onto someone. And i see that a lot. Eg. One day, at school, one of the girls in my class waspretty upset, because her dog got ran over while she was watching... sad. :(. Now, the religious kid in my class tried to "comfort" her by saing it was "all part of a bigger plan" and that the dog "died for a reason" that god seemed to make up for it. "it was the dogs inevitable destiny".Just, y'know. being kinda forceful. ALOSO- to all the christians out there- if god created the stuff to make the big bang, because if it was just there, it would be unexplainable, what created god? and also,if youre christian god is the one true god, then disprove all the other religions of the world, both past and present, without disproving your's.
SomeGuy Jun 24, 2010
Ok, we are in the wrong place to have this discussion, especially as long as it has apparently been going on. This is the comments section of a photo album! I will grant that I've heard some very intelligent and credible things from both sides and those who are neutral in this discussion, but if you really want to do this, you are in the wrong place. I did not come to this website expecting a line of comments half a mile long. My point is that if you want to do this, why not take it to a forum?
P.S.: I am atheist and I couldn't care less what religion you are as long as you don't try to indoctrinate me. I simply believe that you should always do good things regardless of whether or not you are Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Islamic, whatever. Now I do think that the whole, your loved one's death is all part of a bigger plan, etc., thing is somewhat insensitive. I mean I completely understand that they're trying to help, I just don't think that saying that they died because of that is the right way to go about doing so.
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thelastknight Jul 04, 2010
Why does the Church need a lightning rod? Why would God strike down the Church and his believers? lol, It's rhetorical........
Fred Jul 09, 2010
What everyone needs to realize and/or accept is that everyone is ignorant, whether it be about the world, science, or religion...
Yes, I'm atheist, yet i accept other people for having religion. People that believe in "God" need help getting through life because they fear death... "I'd hate to think that there is nothing after this life" is what i close friend said to me once...
Fred Jul 09, 2010
The main flaw with "Heaven", or the "perfect place", is that "Perfect" cannot exist within consciousness, or thought...
Lets make a few examples to show you...
!. Lets say you have a wife or a beloved someone. Ok, you go to "Heaven", while he/she goes to "Hell". You either A. have to deal with the fact that he/she is suffering {which would make "Heaven" imperfect), or B. "God" makes an illusion of that person in heaven (which would be a lie, and "God" cannot lie)
2. Many people can barely stand going to church for 2 hours a weeks, no one can stand doing anything (I mean anything!) for too long, do you really think you can stand praising "God" for eternity?
3.Perfect for me and you is completely different... I like small, petite girls with long black hair. You might like chubby girls with red hair, or tall girls with blond.
Perfect CAN'T exist as long as the human conscious is intact. take away the conscious, we know, see, feel, ARE nothing. THAT is reality.
Fred Jul 19, 2010
Learn from the Matrix... The world, everything you think is real, is all a lie, an illusion...
Sven Jul 24, 2010
Regardless of the details of your personal belief, you still believe in a god with no valid evidence.
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All atheists deserve to have their heads severed off with a rusty saw.
Rogue Aug 28, 2010
Not had a good day my friend? Seems a little harsh.....
Fred Sep 07, 2010
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Caboose Sep 05, 2010
Okay guys, seriously. Arguments gone on long enough. Anyone with half a brain could understand that god doesn’t exist. There’s nothing waiting for you after death. Absolutely nothing. Deal with it and get over it. The only reason you believe in some omnipotent asshole, is because you either have nothing better to do, or you’re just that fucking lonely and pathetic. I pity you guys honestly. Even you atheists. If you’re really so against religion in all of its various annoying forms, do something about it. Don’t just fucking sit there and keep complaining. Have you seen where it gets you? Nowhere, obviously. You’re all stupid. I don’t believe in anything at all, and guess what? I’m more than likely living a much better life than any of you. You know why? I’m my own guide in life. I’ve accepted death in any form, and the lone empty nothingness than follows. I don’t need some crucified zombie asshole to tell me how I should act, or what I should or should not believe. I carve my own path in society. And I’m fine with it. I see the beauty in nature, in the universe, and I see and understand the physics and sciences behind all of its creation. And it’s perfectly obvious to me, that there is no way that there is an omnipotent being somewhere out there controlling and watching EVERY LAST HUMAN ON THE PLANET! Zeus can’t even do that. And according to Greek mythology, he’s just as omnipotent as Christ. But guess what? He still requires help! Get some since into you. No religion makes any since. (Refer to the poster titled “Christianity†with the picture of “Jesus†on the cross) I’m sick and tired of you people, both atheists and religious types. The poster referring to the Christian dark ages graph is actually pretty accurate. Our race would be twice as advanced as it is right now if religion hadn’t halted the advance of science in its very early stages. All of you just need to STFU and GTFO. Or stop complaining about each other.
I’ve said my piece.
Sincerely, Michael J. Caboose
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Shut the fuck up. Dec 28, 2010
Get back on topic. (For idiots, its back at the top of the page.)
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Shut the fuck up. Dec 28, 2010
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